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Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 15:22
by murfyspaws
Just back from the local field, where Murfy loves to run and jump and do all sorts of doodle dashing, when about a mile in the distance, I spotted a man waving a walking stick, shouting at the top of his lungs for me to keep my dog away from him! He was with a woman and a Westie, obviously Murfy also spotted at him, and never one to miss out on a stick throwing session, charged at the man. I called and called but Murfy had gone deaf and before I knew it he had bodily thrown him self at the man. I came running, shouting "off Murfy" which he did, but the man hit him with his stick and told me he was dangerous and should be on a lead. I was so angry :evil: that I screamed at him to put down his F****** stick or I would not be held responsible, I then cried, while I tried to put my very loving pup on his lead. If this stupid man had not waved his stick around in the first place Murfy would have quite happily ignored him and played with his dog (who was also off lead). I am very upset and I had to keep him on lead for the rest of the walk because I was scared he was going to do it to someone else!!! I am now paranoid about going to this field again and don't know what to do. Any suggestions??

Laura and Murfy xx

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 16:51
by ralph'smum
Hope Murfy and you are ok
Just put it down to experience and carry on as normal doing your usual walks
Doods are friendly dogs and will always go into say hi and usually adopt Tigger springs in these circumstances ( stick waving :roll: when I know ralph probably would)
Some people are really funny when they see a big dog coming though and make things worse by reacting in a way that encourages play.
I'd just put Murf on the lead until you pass them if you spot them again

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 16:52
by Dexter_Mir
God I do not understand some dog owners, why do they own dogs yet not like other peoples and if they wont no other dog near them don’t go to a field where there will be other dogs !!!

I am sorry you had this horrible experience and can understand why your so angry and upset, stupid man. You did nothing wrong no more than Murfy did.

I have not had such an awful experience, but I lose count of the amount of people I come across out on walks with their dogs who will not allow there dogs to play, I refuse to put my dogs on a lead when I am walking unless there are small children as Dexter is a big lad and would knock them flying through bounding up to people. But honestly some dog owners just do not allow there own dogs to have fun and learn doggy etiquette with each other….

I am sorry I have no ideas, that stupid man caused it by over exciting your pup, like you said if he hadn’t started waving his dam stick around and causing the over excitement you would have been able to pass by without yours even noticing…. So take some reassurance in that he caused it and not you or Murfy !

Flamming twit !!!

Dee xx

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Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 17:13
by peelm
What a complete over reaction from an unreasonable man. How old is Murfy? If he’s still a puppy, then it’s even more ridiculous that he reacted the way he did.
Don’t let him get to you. How many other people love saying hello to Murfy.

However, it is our responsibility to respect the wishes of others, even if they seem a bit strange. It’s so hard trying to keep our very sociable dogs from saying hello to everyone, but some people just don’t want to say hello.
All I can suggest is using a long line when out in the field, and trying to get Murfy used to staying closer to you. That way, you may have a little more control over him.
Then progress to letting him off lead, but keeping him within about a 50 yard radius. When he strays out of that circle, call him back and reward him. Use food treats to keep him with you until you’ve asked if he can say hello to anyone you see. You’re not stopping him meeting people and other dogs, it’s just you decide when and who.
He MUST get used to the fact that he can’t just run up to everyone. You don’t know what the person, or that persons dog is like. The dog maybe aggressive and cause serious damage to your dog, or you.
You make the decisions, not him. You have to try and keep one step ahead of him and as soon as you see a situation brewing, take control of it.
That said, it’s a very difficult thing to do, and Foz still makes me look like a complete burke at times, and I don’t really need help with that, I can manage quite happily on my own.
I think he just gets a kick out of it 

The other thing is to really work hard on stopping him from jumping up. Someone could make an official complaint against you and your dog if, in their opinion, he’s out of control.
There are a number of ways you could go about this.
Some say ignore him when he’s not got four feet on the ground. This works, but can take a long time to see a difference, especially with youngsters.
Others (including me) “bark” quite forcefully at the dog if he jumps up. This worked really quickly with our boy. He now greets people very enthusiastically, but doesn’t leave the floor.

Is there a local training club near by? I think everyone with dogs should go to some form of training school. Yes you can do it yourself, but the interaction with other dogs and people can help to calm our chaps down. It also helps with specific issues (like the jumping up) if someone Is there to work with you.

Hope you don't feel too bad...

Michael.

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 17:36
by murfyspaws
Thank you for your replies, in answer to Michael, Murfy is six months old and yes we do go to obedience class, but we have not been able to stop the jumping up yet, I will try barking at him next time!!! The reason I did not put him on a lead straight away was because this man had a dog with him, and tbh Murfy normally bypasses people to say hello to their dogs. The westie was fine and quite welcoming, but the guy obviously had a bee in his bonnet about something, I think it was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have a training lead for Murfy but I have found the bigger he gets the more tangled we become, be it in trees or other people. I must sound like a lunatic with no control over her dog :lol: But actually he is very well mannered when he feels like it. :shock:

Thanks again Laura and Murfy xx

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 19:42
by amber
I feel so sorry for you. If that happened to me i know i would go balistic, and Alex would be far worse. Emily our Tibetan terrier had a little row with a neighbours dog who allows his dog to pee all over our car wheels, and when his dog was on her patch of land just ourside where we park Emily barked and ran at his dog. The owner raised a stick to our Emily and i immediately flew into a rage and had strong words with him. Alex also went over some time later and asked him politely not to do it again. The neighbour said he would do it again and Alex said he wouldnt. This carried on for some time, but in the end we had our way. I cannot stand it when people threaten violence against them. :twisted:
Really it is there problem and my way of thinking on it to make myself feel better is to be glad i am at least not married to the Silly S*D!

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 21:13
by lauraw
I can't believe this man was so stupid to go waving a stick. I'm sure I've read in puppy books that dogs respond more to movements than verbal commands so he Murfy would probable be attracted to the movement! We are having difficulty getting Aonghus to stop jumping and we do ignore him and not clap him until he has all 4 paws on the ground but he quickly forgets. He just gets so excited when he sees us or anyone else. Most dog owners I have met don't mind him jumping up to say hello. The man could have waited until you went passed him to see what happened!

I remember a few years ago when I had a cat, I was standing waiting on my lift to work when a dog was barking in the house and obviously my cat had just walked by so that was what he was barking at. The next thing I knew, the dog's owner opened his door, picked up a stone and threw it at my cat! Well, you can imagine what kind of response that got from me. Aonghus has only barked a couple of times at someone walking passed the house and I distract him from doing it, not throw a stone at the thing he's barking at! Some people just think violence or threatening is the answer to everything.

Hope you don't meet him again and keep enjoying your walks!

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 23:34
by CAROL SHAW
hi Doodles are playfull and can be boisterous and jump up but put yourself in this mans position with a relevantly small dog and a big boisterous puppy aproaching would you not be worried? If you know your dog can be over enthusiastic pleae put it on a lead.

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 06 Mar 2009, 23:57
by peelm
Hi Laura,

If Murfy’s only six months and he’s good “most” of the time, you’re on to a winner already (or at least until the teenage phase sets in) :lol:
It sounds as if you’re doing all the right things, and this was just a case of the wrong place at the wrong time. I still bring Foz into me before letting him go off to play unless the other dog approaches first. This gives me that little bit of time to decide if I should keep him with me, or let him go and cause chaos, which, let’s face it, is what doods are really good at. :roll:
I think at six months I’d call the dog back, put him on his lead, even if it’s only for a few seconds, and then let him off if everything seems OK. This for me does two things. One, let’s him know that he can still go and play, but not every time, and two that just because you put the lead on doesn’t mean playtime’s over.

I'd just mark this one down to someone elses bad day and not dwell on it too much.

Michael.

Re: Horrible man!!!!

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 11:45
by Dexter_Mir
CAROL SHAW wrote:hi Doodles are playfull and can be boisterous and jump up but put yourself in this mans position with a relevantly small dog and a big boisterous puppy aproaching would you not be worried? If you know your dog can be over enthusiastic pleae put it on a lead.

Yes to a point i can undertsand this, however I do feel the man drew attention to himself which didnt really help the sitation. I have a giant of a doodle, a tiny Shih Tzu and a 10 week old doodle and have to say i let them interact with all dogs whatever there size. If a dog is bounding towards them I let them sort themself out, its how they learn the doggy rules. Nervous owner often ends up with nervous and anxious dogs, which can then be aggresive.... I certainly see your point however.

Dee xx :D

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