Linny, you joined in on the attack by adding fuel to the fire. The original issue was not breeding practices but the "hell hole" that Debra Tranter claims she found here.linny2 wrote:I have not commented here or elsewhere about RM's kennels, puppies, testing, or facilities, although others may have done so in this thread. The concern I expressed was for RMs practice of back-to-back (ie consecutive) breeding, as follows:Rutland Manor wrote:Linny, I am glad that you think highly of Smilerz because she and her husband have just spent the week end of 4th and 5th July 2009 here at Rutland Manor carrying out a full and thorough inspection of the entire facility and the dogs and puppies on the property. They also inspected our office records health testing documents etc., and saw that we actually DO the things that we say we do.
They brought all seven of their beautiful Golden Doodles with them and their dogs had a lovely time romping around in the grassed exercise areas that so many are saying don't exist here.
They have promised this forum a full report on what they found here, and I would hope that when they do this, you may be gracious enough to offer me a public apology on this forum.
If this is proven to be incorrect (seemingly unlikely, given that RM have already admitted to doing so here) then of course I will cheerfully apologise.linny2 wrote:Rutland Manor proudly state that they breed their dogs back-to-back, and admit they've bred girls up to at least 6 years of age.
Again, I continue to hope that this practice has now been abolished, and would welcome their confirmation to that effect.
I will say this once and once only and I will not be drawn into debate on the breeding back to back issue with anyone, especially those who are operating under misguided emotional misinformation.
If someone doesn't agree with it, that's fine. You are entitled to your own opinions, even though I suspect that few if any of you have any real evidence to back up that it is harmful to the females themselves. Of course, much depends on common sense, KNOWING how to assess physical and emotional health in a canine, and other factors that require in depth research.
If any of you have an open mind consider these points -
1. Mother nature decrees the frequency with which a female of any species cycles and is receptive to breeding. Some wild dog breeds for instance and some domestic breeds cycle late (first cycle at up to two years of age) and only once a year. For these breeds common sense says they are not designed to breed more than once a year.
2. Cows have their calf inside of them for nine months. They are re-bred each and every year even if they have delivered twins. Why? Because it is the way Nature intended it to be for the health of the cow herself.
2. Alpacas, Llamas, Sheep, Goats, and Mares have young every year. Equine Veterinary Reproductive Specialists usually recommend that once a mare commences her breeding life she be bred annually without the mis-named "rest" in between. When she is "rested" her muscles and ligaments tighten and her next birthing process is not as easy as it would have been had she been re-bred. Healthy mares often breed up to twenty six or twenty eight years of age and remain happy and healthy because they are intended to be mothers. Many top Horse Studs re-breed their mares on the foal heat, which is ten days following the birth. That sounds horrific to we humans, but many mares 'take' best and are most receptive to the stallion at this time. Sounds terrible to a human, but we are different species.
3. I have a three year old filly who has recently had surgery for cancer on her back. The surgery left a hole the size of a dinner plate (it has since filled in thank goodness) but the biopsy showed that the cancer has already invaded her lymphatic system, so my precious filly's days are numbered. the Equine Reproductive Specialist recommended that even though she is just a three year old, I should put her in foal. The reason? Because the surges of hormones that go through a female's body when fertile, feed the cancer, and at best, produce the acidic environment that is favorable to the onset of a cancer even if it is not already present.
4. The information about back to back breeding which was on my website was outdated (I had forgotten to go into my HUGE website and update it when the legislation was changed, I 'think' in 2006 or 2007. We were never informed of this legislation which in itself is a beaurocratic mess up. Surely registered breeders should be informed of new legislation. Up until that time I had not been outside the legislation. The kennel clubs had always had their rules, but not being a member they did not apply to me.
Legislation is often far behind the times as far as education and research is concerned. For instance it is law for all dogs to be vaccinated on an annual basis, whether they need it or not.
HOW UNEDUCATED IS THIS!
Vaccinosis is well documented and quite common these days as the build up of vaccines gets stronger and stronger in the systems of our dogs and their progeny. Increasing numbers of dogs are suffering from vaccinosis and other related diseases seldom heard of before this ridiculous legal requirement of annual vaccinations came into force.
How many dogs have to suffer and die before these morons take the trouble to find out what they are really doing to our dogs? How long will it take for them to do the research and find out that breeding females are designed to "breed" whether they sleep on their master's bed and with the kids or if they are herding sheep on a farm. If they are not bred then they should be speyed so that the rush of hormone isn't taking place. It's really very simple.
The whole point of this rather long post, is that many kind hearted people make assumptions based on lack of any real experience nor understanding on the variables that dictate animal best husbandry practices.
You can jump on me all you like, but I will not respond. I have said everything I have to say on this subject.
Animals are my life and love and have always been since I was a tiny child. I would never do the tiniest thing to harm nor hurt them, not even their feelings. I have bred dogs for well over fifty years, and observed and shared in the experiences of many breeders over this time.
I have my own opinions which will not change. I will not vaccinate my dogs each year when Phizer states in its own scientific paper that the efficacy of its canine vaccines is at least thirty six months. I will continue to perform titer tests and vaccinate when indicated. I would go to gaol before I would take the risks of causing vaccinosis to any of my dogs.
Ask anyone who has ever experienced vaccinosis and believe me it is heartbreaking, and cruel to the extreme to nurse and to watch. Many never recover.
I guess by now you have realised that I have very strong views all of which are based on my lifelong love for all animals and in particular my dogs and horses. I behave according to the dictates of MY OWN conscience and always in the best interests of any animals who own me.
Incidentally, more misinformation which has been posted on I believe Care2 (Carole g has had her say there also) that I went to court!!!!
HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH?
The Baw Baw shire summonsed me for "running an illegal business". They had accepted my money for transfer of the business and renewal twelve months later, but not given me my '"piece of paper". I was pleased that I had been charged, because at last I had a public arena to show them up for what they are.
Two days before the court date of 5th May 2009 The Baw Baw Shire WITHDREW all charges without warning. Obviously their barrister once he'd seen the REAL situation, advised them not to continue. They would have made fools of themselves and been open to charges themselves if everything they had done to me came to light in a court room.
YOu see??? You can NOT believe these things just because 'so and so' usually with an alias, says it was so!