Some perspective on recent events

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by linny » 13 Sep 2009, 11:21

YES Adam still absolutely sure.
When are you going to open your eyes to the fact that there is indeed a problem at RM that needs addressing?
On the link provided you can read for yourself, others experiences of their direct dealings with RM.

With the high profile that RM has and having visited there personally can you give an explanation for the unkempt coat of the dog pictured.....or the lack of cleanliness ?
The dogs are making a huge amount of money, why is it not being used to improve living conditions for them .?
Soap and water is relatively cheap Adam ,but I see a distinct lack of it in the photos????
And a distinct lack of grooming. :shock:
Can you also explain , back to back breeding ,under age breeding ,and debarking?

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Adam Lindley » 13 Sep 2009, 13:29

What would constitute a witch hunt in your eyes then? Surely the sock puppets are busy building a ducking stool :?

What are YOUR experiences of dealing with Rutland Manor? Any?

The high profile of the name has been earned over many years, and we didn't see any Rolls Royces lined up outside, so the huge income you insinuate isn't going there.
There is still work to be done at RM, but there is a lot of improvement work that has already been done.

I don't understand what you perceive the place to be? It isn't a huge operation with hundreds of dogs lined up in kennel blocks or stalls in sheds. More a small boarding kennels with 20-odd dogs set on the outskirts of town...

In many ways the easiest option would be to sell up and walk away, take all her knowledge and information out of the public arena and move somewhere warmer without mud!

The pedigree people must be wetting themselves... A Labradoodle forum saying the cost of a doodle would be better spent on 2 poodles, and getting into bed with animal liberation activists on the other side of the planet to attack a person instrumental in trying to get doodles established and recognised.

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Carole g » 13 Sep 2009, 15:04

Forgive me for saying this Adam but, in view of your location, the endless justifying of the indefensible is making you sound like the proverbial "whinging pom". A bit of Aussie-style frankness is called for.
There is NO conspiracy, remember the highly imaginary land grab created by a former poster who is now ONLY welcome on the Rutland Manor chit chat forum where the true believers can pray?
Yes, I expect that this subject is being watched all over the world, some ex associates of RM are not too happy with them and I can understand why their contribution to the debate would not cast a positive light on their experiences. The dog business is impossible without trust and the example of Happy Wanderer of Rutlands bought from a pound of unknown parentage and breed, and supplied with a pedigree in order to sell 54 puppies and the retention of her daughter to carry on the farce is an act of bad faith. If a pedigree breeder had done this, who would defend them? Not me and not you I expect either.
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Adam Lindley » 13 Sep 2009, 19:40

Not forgiven! Down to personal insult now then Carole - must've hit a nerve.

Given the apethy to events in Queensland compared to the furvour of activity surrounding RM, the hypocracy is staggering.

What do the people on the poodle forums make of this? Puddles on the floor!

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by LynneL » 13 Sep 2009, 20:02

This is a Labradoodle forum as has been said several times before!
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Fattysplash » 13 Sep 2009, 20:59

You sound as though your only concern is your own reputation and the reputation of Rutland Manor. You seem to condone the treatment of these animals because there are only "20-odd dogs". How many of these 20-odd are debarked then? How many in need of grooming? Socialisation? How many pups have been bred from these 20-odd dogs? If "the easiest option would be to sell up and walk away, take all her knowledge and information out of the public arena and move somewhere warmer without mud"! Why didn't she do just that, instead of surgically silencing (mutating) them? Pity she hadn't just sold up and walked away BEFORE she mutilated these poor animals. Her sort of knowledge and information should be kept in her greedy, selfish, cruel mind so as not to encourage any more money grabbing; puppy farming clones!
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Hel&Mark » 13 Sep 2009, 22:59

Fattysplash wrote:You sound as though your only concern is your own reputation and the reputation of Rutland Manor. You seem to condone the treatment of these animals because there are only "20-odd dogs". How many of these 20-odd are debarked then? How many in need of grooming? Socialisation? How many pups have been bred from these 20-odd dogs? If "the easiest option would be to sell up and walk away, take all her knowledge and information out of the public arena and move somewhere warmer without mud"! Why didn't she do just that, instead of surgically silencing (mutating) them? Pity she hadn't just sold up and walked away BEFORE she mutilated these poor animals. Her sort of knowledge and information should be kept in her greedy, selfish, cruel mind so as not to encourage any more money grabbing; puppy farming clones!
As far as I am concerned, this is the crux of the matter. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anybody's reputation, but knowing that animals are not only being used and abused, but are having their means of communication taken away makes me shed tears. :evil: :cry:
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by heike » 15 Sep 2009, 01:50

Just because there are only 20 dogs NOW on her property doesn't mean she didn't have many more in the past. So Adam you are saying it's okay to debark dog's? To breed back to back, to breed underage dogs? To lie and pick up a pound puppy and pass it off as a "PURE'" ASD and make thousands off of them and give a fake pedigree to unsuspecting families. To keep dog's locked up in cold, dark concrete cells. To not groom and and not treat them like pets but instead treat them like breeding machines. Sorry, but this is a puppy farmer no more no less!!!!! :cry:
It is Bev herself on her website that says "if you're not ready to take the time and energy to make the labradoodle a family member then you should look at another breed." Why doesn't this apply to her dogs as well!!! Nope sorry, sellling 400 puppies in one year doesn't constitute the betterment of the breed but fullfilling a market that only a puppy farmer would do.

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by aussiedoodles » 16 Sep 2009, 21:15

Need more evidence Adam????

http://stoprutlandmanor.wordpress.com/2 ... an-update/

Ex-employees and puppy buyers are now speaking out.

The flood gates WILL open

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by heike » 17 Sep 2009, 08:26

Sorry Adam but you have been duped as well, you have no idea what lengths Beverley will go to protect her reputation and her puppy farming. Ask her about leaving a very pregnant dog out in her cold and dark kennels, ask her about attempting to sell a 8mt old female to another country for 20k for breeding (underage breeding), you can call us all the names you like, but the truth is being exposed. :!:

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Adam Lindley » 17 Sep 2009, 11:01

I think it was caroleG name-calling.

The truth, without bias and prejudice, is all anyone can ask. Is the same scrutiny being applied to all sources of information?

Are disgruntled employees ever the best source of unbiassed information?

Heike, I have never, and do not condone debarking, underage breeding or breeding on every season.

As I understand it RM has changed radically in size and structure and moved premesis, so comparing the business of 5 yrs ago with now is wrong.

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Carole g » 17 Sep 2009, 12:16

"Heike, I have never, and do not condone debarking, underage breeding or breeding on every season."

1 You say you do not condone those that debark
THIS YEAR RM has debarked more than a dozen dogs...you don't support this, do you Adam? It is against the law .


2 You say you do not condone underage breeding.
It takes time for pedigrees to appear but I will bring this one to your notice, this puppy's puppies were born last year.

RM is breeding underage
Rutlands WH Golden Glamour (Date of Birth 28/04/07) was mated to Rutlands Kelby before she was one year old and the litter was born 03/05/08.
This PUPPY was mated at 10 months old.. you don't support this, do you Adam? It is against the law.

3 You say you do not condone breeding on every season
RM is still breeding on every season THIS YEAR.
Tegan Park Shania is reported to have had a triple mastectomy and still is being bred at Rutland Manor.
5th litter August 15th 2008
6th litter February 21st 2009
7th litter August 25th 2009 ...you don't support this, do you Adam? It is against the law.

What have you got left to condone, Adam?
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by Adam Lindley » 17 Sep 2009, 12:56

Debarking is not illegal in Victoria, whether it is right is a different thing altogether, but you knew that already didn't you! I wouldn't ever want to be in a situation where that might even be an option.

"Stickybeak" used to refer to someone who cannot keep thier nose out of other peoples business - sound familiar?

No doubt your investigations are accurate and well informed, I'm sure the owners of RM dogs and the pedigree breeders around the world will be forever in your debt... :wink:

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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by LynneL » 17 Sep 2009, 12:59

What are you saying Adam? That people should have just ignored what is going on and then everything would have been alright? :shock: :shock:
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Re: Some perspective on recent events

Post by GUNNER » 17 Sep 2009, 13:01

LynneL wrote:What are you sdaying Adam? That people should have just ignored what is going on and then everything would have been alright? :shock: :shock:
Seems so :(

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