Poodles on EPUPZ ?

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Post by bek » 30 Jan 2007, 19:25

good on you stick to your guns.

what were her reasons for wanting to produce this cross
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Post by terry » 30 Jan 2007, 19:57

any dog is dangerous with the wrong owner. there are no bad dogs only bad owners

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Post by Fiona » 30 Jan 2007, 20:29

Terry , like humans there are good and bad in every thing. ask the man who sufferd this week from 1/2 hour attack from a dog. and the children killed by dogs which were unprovoked.
You can't tell me there are no bad dogs, a lot have been breed for fighting and are now being used as pets to match the owner with a studed ring in the nose and spiked choker round the neck.
if you mix a dog that has aggression as a natural instint and put it with a dog with a passive nature you are bound to get something that will be a loving pet one minute and turn aggressive within a second for no reason, ( like a woman on the change) perhaps you do not know what that is like?
sorry girls.
It is this stupid disregard for the prodgeny that has been produced from incompatable matings the upset me.
No its not the dogs fault it was produced, it's the fault of the person who is unaware of what BAD mixed combination breeding can do.
The cross of the poodle and labrador is a very compatable one ,as you may or may not agree, ?
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Post by PennyAli » 30 Jan 2007, 20:39

Very true Fiona, that why we are not agreeing with the cross any thing to Poodle approach

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Post by Sharon » 30 Jan 2007, 22:02

I too completely agree with Fiona. 8)

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Post by bek » 31 Jan 2007, 07:51

i hope you dont mean the gsd when you mention a natural agression as this is not true the gsd whas never breed to be a guard dog they DONT have a natural aggression they are a working dog breed for hearding.
the only aggressive gsds are poorly breed gsds
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Post by Fiona » 31 Jan 2007, 09:15

Hi Bek
I did not single out any breed as aggressive ,but as you say a badly bred GSD can have aggression.
As I know to well as when I was 7 years old ,my sister purchased a gsd, and one Sunday morning I was going to open the back door to go in for my dinner and he was by the door, for no reason he jumped up and took hold of my arm, his lower and top jaw meet in the middle of my arm, I still have the scar today.
I had not touched him or did anything to provoke him, it was an aggressive act.
I know gsd are not normally like this, but they do have it in the blood to be trained as agressive dogs so I would not categoriclaly say they are non aggressive. but the breeding has got better since I was a child, Breeders have stoped using the bad ones for breeding, for use as guard dogs. and gone to other breeds for this use.
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Post by PennyAli » 31 Jan 2007, 10:44

All herding breeds have the instinct to round up and nip if necessary, even my mums GSD who as we have discussed hasn't the best of temperaments but when he bites he doesn't hold or really sink he teeth in he nips but being a large GSD does a bit more damage than a smaller herding breed, I don't actually think that any herding breed would be good crossed with a Poodle nothing to do with GSDs accept that’s what I was approached about using

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Post by terry » 31 Jan 2007, 17:02

fiona, as you said dogs are bred to fight,not born to fight. you only have to look at the people who own the dogs that carry out these attacks to see why the dogs turn out as they do.any dog can be trained to be aggresive but they are not born like it.


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Post by terry » 31 Jan 2007, 17:12

on the thread about dog attack it seems the labrador comes in for alot of criticism

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Post by bek » 31 Jan 2007, 17:32

i have met many an aggressive lab here is bucks but i think that is more down to the owner as they buy these labs as family pet but seem to think they train themselves and seem to forget that they will grow into a large dogs.
all dogs no matter what breed should be taught the right way to behave from a young age.
also what people need to remember is that the training of a dog never finishes it should be continued for the whole of the dogs life
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Post by PennyAli » 31 Jan 2007, 18:30

Yes allot of people buy Labradors as family pets and think they can train there self’s and also think they are fat dogs that lay about all day and they are completely wrong a Labrador should never be aloud to get fat it is a working dog and has the energy to match, if unsocialised and untrained can be a complete nightmare, did anyone see dog borstal last week, but the man that owned the dog was a complete drip! in the wrong hands any dog can be a problem, but some breeds take more care and socialisation than others and a highly strung breed should only be owned by someone who knows what they are doing and can give it the training and exercise required and due to this commitment certain breeds do not fit easily into allot of people's family life so by crossing a GSD to a Poodle they would really only be good for people that are very experience with dogs and wanted it for agility or working of some type it would be far to intelligent to just sit in someone’s house all day

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Post by bek » 31 Jan 2007, 19:04

you are right i am experianced with gsd but i no i would never be able to cope with exercise or training needed to keep this cross happy or content
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Post by Sharon » 31 Jan 2007, 19:13

terry wrote:fiona, as you said dogs are bred to fight,not born to fight. you only have to look at the people who own the dogs that carry out these attacks to see why the dogs turn out as they do.any dog can be trained to be aggresive but they are not born like it.


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"bred to fight" indeed means they have been bred so as to have inherent character traits that make them suited to fighting - ie natural aggression. Or do you imagine that american pit bulls for eg. are normally soppy,docile and gentle natured ideal family pets unless bought by someone who wants to train them to fight ? :? I would say the agression is always there .. somewhere under the surface waiting to emerge.

As for labradors being mentioned in the dog attack thread - sadly this is due not necessarily to how their owners have managed them - more than likely the fault lies with the breeder in terms of their choice of breeding stock. Breeders of any breed, who care only about making money, will probably not care if they breed from a dog whose temperament is not true to type. A well bred labrador should have an excellent nature - being naturally kind with children and other dogs. Sadly, the labrador has been the victim of its own "success" ie. being known to be an ideal family pet has encouraged all sorts of idiots out there to breed them - without any due care - the results vary from hip dysplasia to a very poor temperament.
Let's hope the same doesn't happen with the Labradoodle :!:

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Post by LouBeale » 31 Jan 2007, 19:50

Sharon wrote:
terry wrote:fiona, as you said dogs are bred to fight,not born to fight. you only have to look at the people who own the dogs that carry out these attacks to see why the dogs turn out as they do.any dog can be trained to be aggresive but they are not born like it.


terry
"bred to fight" indeed means they have been bred so as to have inherent character traits that make them suited to fighting - ie natural aggression. Or do you imagine that american pit bulls for eg. are normally soppy,docile and gentle natured ideal family pets unless bought by someone who wants to train them to fight ? :? I would say the agression is always there .. somewhere under the surface waiting to emerge.

As for labradors being mentioned in the dog attack thread - sadly this is due not necessarily to how their owners have managed them - more than likely the fault lies with the breeder in terms of their choice of breeding stock. Breeders of any breed, who care only about making money, will probably not care if they breed from a dog whose temperament is not true to type. A well bred labrador should have an excellent nature - being naturally kind with children and other dogs. Sadly, the labrador has been the victim of its own "success" ie. being known to be an ideal family pet has encouraged all sorts of idiots out there to breed them - without any due care - the results vary from hip dysplasia to a very poor temperament.
Let's hope the same doesn't happen with the Labradoodle :!:
Sharon, I have to agree with you on this but I can't help thinking that certain peoples egos are involved with the type of dog they choose to own. Sadly, my late father in law took on a rescue labrador, which was very well trained and behaved to a degree. It bit him and his wife really badly over food (moving the food bowl whilst he was eating) then went on to rip open the back of my little chihuahua who just happened to walk/run past him at the wrong moment. Luckily she was ok after loads of antibiotics and a velcro bandage round her middle for 4 weeks.

Nobody should be complacent about any dog with children, you never know what might trigger a dog to attack and I have to say certain breeds are less trustworthy than others due to their natures.

I would really like to see some kind of licence brought back, but not too sure how this could be implimented to include the more unpredictable breeds.

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