Trips out before 2nd vaccination? Pet Passport? any advice??

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Trips out before 2nd vaccination? Pet Passport? any advice??

Post by Pods2008 » 30 Aug 2010, 11:36

Making final preparations for Barclay's arrival and Im just looking at the puppy info pack we got from the vets. Just want to check/get opinions:

It says in there about socialising puppy which makes sense - but it also says that as long as you carry before first vacination that they can go places to help them socialise, get used to noises etc. They suggest people's homes, pubs, markets etc - i guess less doggy places etc. Makes sense to get him used to noises, people fussing him etc but is this ok before 2nd vaccination? My thoughts are that I guess the idea is to keep him away from possible non vaccinated dogs?

Also - Barclay is part of our family and as such we want to take him on hols. We are looking at pet passport - just for travel into Europe - we have friends in France - anyone got any experience of this - can't seem to find costs anywhere!!

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Post by Leah » 30 Aug 2010, 12:39

I think it's very important to socialise your puppy as much as possible before he is allowed out for walks as this is an important age for accepting all sorts of sights and sounds, people and other animals.
My youngest son was 2 when we got Monty and they used to sit side by side in the pushchair when out for walks, to the school, shops, everywhere really, got him used to all the noises of the city.
We also arranged to visit plenty people, especially those with vaccinated dogs so that he could continue learning how to interact with other dogs
He is now a very easy-going dog, friendly with everyone and not afraid of anything (although I think this was already his basic nature!)
Not sure about pet passports but interested in any replies as half our family live in France so would be good to take Monty.
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Post by KateW » 30 Aug 2010, 14:22

We carried Rufus around with the full support of our vets who agree that socialisation is very important for puppies. I was careful not to put him on the ground; it is not just unprotected dogs that you need to keep them from but infections from old faeces etc.

Rufus was carried to the bank, building society, sub post office (now sadly closed), greengrocers, various art galleries, sat on my lap outside cafes/bars, had a couple of short bus and train journeys and spent ages at the heliport. Our big local beach has helicopters flying over to the I of S and I have seen quite a few dogs panic at the noise. We also took him out every day in the car, often two or three times, visited lots of friends and I carried him near the local primary school at going home time. He made a lot of friends :D He attended his first dinner party at twelve weeks and behaved extremely well with our host's cats. And at about the same age I took him to meet various horses.

As for the pet passport, we are now thinking about this and I gather the costs are in the region of £200. The dog must be microchipped and have a rabies injection. I think most vets would not want to administer the latter to a small puppy. Your vet will have a leaflet or you can look at Defra's site. It seems to take around six months to complete the entire process although friends of ours who live in the south of France took longer than this to get their dog's passport. I am not sure I would take Rufus for a brief continental holiday but I would like to know that we could take him if we decided to go away for a month or two in the future. One of my friends takes her whippet to Paris every month and says he has a great time. The better the restaurant the more welcoming to dogs....So unlike here :roll:

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Post by Madeleine » 30 Aug 2010, 15:26

Hi

I can confirm how important it is to solialise your puppy asap. Dylan had problems going out as it was Xmas when we got him and I didn't realise that he hadn't had his 1st injection - obviously then we had to wait for the 2nd and then the time [usually 3-4 days] before you can venture out. he was very nervous and i remember dragging him out ! I hasten to add he is fine now but it was stressfull to begin with. When we got Dixie I was well aware of the procedure and had other dogs round for her, we also took her out in a puppy sling when walking, this however backfired as she was sick with the motion ! She is now fine also and loves other dogs and we have no issues with her.
its also lovely for you to let them mix as you will meet so many new friends especially with a new pup ! Everyone loves pups.
The pet passport I'm interested in too but am leaving that for another year, as mentioned I'm a bit concerned at giving the injection to such young dogs.
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Post by blueboysgirl » 30 Aug 2010, 15:44

Pods2008 wrote: It says in there about socialising puppy which makes sense - but it also says that as long as you carry before first vacination that they can go places to help them socialise, get used to noises etc. They suggest people's homes, pubs, markets etc - i guess less doggy places etc. Makes sense to get him used to noises, people fussing him etc but is this ok before 2nd vaccination? My thoughts are that I guess the idea is to keep him away from possible non vaccinated dogs?
With regards to the second injection, I was advised by my breeder and two different vets NOT to let his feet touch the floor until 7-10 days after the second jab. This is because of Parvo, mainly, but also other nasty stuff that may make puppy ill. I was really frustrated, as at 10 weeks he was over 9kg and I just had to wait for the final week to be over as I couldn't physically carry him anywhere!! (wish I knew about the dog sling)
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Post by Bid » 30 Aug 2010, 16:45

My two only met vaccinated dogs up until their second jab, and then they went out straight away on our vets advice. While they were waiting we encouraged as many human and doggy visitors as possible to the house. As a result these days they welcome any visitors - including dogs, and we have no problems with friends with dogs coming to stay. :D
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Post by dora-doodle » 30 Aug 2010, 17:04

We have just moved to Canada with our 2 doodles and had to get the pet passport done, firstly they need to be microchipped then get rabies jabs done, one month later a blood test is done to check the dogs are immune , wait about a week for results if all is ok then you get pet passport.
All boosters must be up to date too, all in all it cost about £150 per dog, although our vet is very reasonably priced so could be higher.
Once you have all this done if you leave the UK straight away they cannot return for 6 months so you need to be aware of that, also the rabies jabs need to be kept up to date and not a day late in getting them done again as the whole process would need to be re done which is both costly and time consuming.

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Post by Pods2008 » 30 Aug 2010, 17:23

Hi All

Thanks for the advice and guidance. We have the first week off work when Barclay comes homes so it will be nice to take him out and about albeit carrying him! Im keen to get him socialised as much as possible so he's happy with visitors and other dogs etc.

Re: the pet passport - he is coming already microchipped so that is one less thing to worry about. £150 costs sounds fair enough - we are in no rush to take him abroad and won't want him getting anything done like extra injections etc until he's settled bless him. Its a thing for the future so that he can come with us to France. I read the bit about needing 6 months to elapse before he can freely come and go - good job we didn't think we could get him vaccinated then scoot off to France for week - although it would be a nice excuse to extend a holiday :lol: :lol:

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Post by ebug99 » 30 Aug 2010, 19:10

Hi,

I took Teddy out a few times and carried him - and we also went to visit a friend with a fully vaccinated cockerpoo and let them play in her garden together.

Re passposrts - this link might be useful:

http://www.passportsforpets.com/index.html

It contains pretty much everything you need to know !

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Post by fudgepuddle » 30 Aug 2010, 20:47

we carried ours out before their 2nd vacc, and did lot's of 'pass the parcel' with our pups :lol:

I understand (and it might be worth looking into) guidedogs for the blind give their first vacc at 6 weeks and it's straight out on the streets! :shock: I guess it's because they go on roads and not typical dog walking grassed areas which might contain lots of poo. We personally didn't want to do this, but we certainly exposed them to loads of stuff!

we joined a 'puppy class' which had other part vaccinated (and unvaccinated) puppies straight away, and our teacher was really strict!!!

we had homework each week - such as - meet at least 30 new people, go to at least 10 different places, get puppy to associate 'clicks' with treats (we did clicker training), and by golly, she kept count each week and if we (as owners) didn't perform, we got a telling off in front of the whole class!!!! :shock:

good places to go : train station, on a bus, shops, offices, bell ringing, carparks, dancing classes, diet classes, car boot sales, church, lots of car journeys, cuddles at the vets at least twice a week for 8 weeks, bike hire shop, looking at all the forest stock, sitting and watching traffic, the airport, family & friends, country shows, sitting outside supermarket, sitting outside school at home time (we don't have kids) market, and giving puppy to anyone and everyone who said 'oooooh, what a cute puppy!' :lol:

However, I have to say that this early exposure has made fudgey extremely accepting of any situation, and she regards anything unusual or new with an 'oh look at that - now where's my treat?' Scrumps has followed suit, but takes more of a view of fudgeys reaction when there's a new situation or thing around.... she's not the brightest of doodles and has the memory capacity of a goldfish!!!! Bless.

Have a look at http://www.apdt.co.uk for your nearest puppy classes, and good luck! what you do now will DEFINITELY pay off in the longrun and make your dog a well balanced individual :wink:
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Post by Clairejen » 30 Aug 2010, 21:09

We have had passports for our last dog and for Leon. The process is pretty straightforward, as has already been said you need a microchip, then rabies vaccinations which are done in two jabs a fortnight apart. Four weeks after the second jab they do blood tests, if these are satisfactory then your dog's vaccination is valid for two years from the date of injection. To keep the passport valid you must have a booster before that two years expires, if it is late you have to do the whole blood test thing again.

Six months after the blood test (note this is not six months after the injections) you can bring your dog back into the country (you can leave before this date, just can't come back in).

The other thing you have to do for every trip is have your dog treated by a vet against ticks and worms and the passport stamped appropriately, this must be done between 24 and 48 hours before your return (the time you actually leave the country). This is checked at the pet passport control at the ferryport or tunnel. We organise our vet appointment a few weeks before going on holiday, and we always check what has been written in the passport before leaving the vets. According to the pet passport control they do get people forced to delay their journey because they haven't got the right paperwork, either not had the treatment at the right time or filled in incorrectly.

Some French vets speak English, others do not, but most have had experience of the passports. The DEFRA site used to have a very good list of useful phrases in French and English. I find vets by looking for veterinaires on www.pagesjaunes.fr.
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