My wonderful experience

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My wonderful experience

Post by Stu » 09 Apr 2007, 22:15

Hi Guy's & Gals,

This is my first post so i thought i would start by sharing my wonderful experience of purchasing my doodle.

Firstly my background, i have had dogs all my life and have, through my mother i have been around show dogs for the majority of my life. I have also been to countless breeders, particularly of Flat Coated Retrivers and Spanish Water Dogs so i would like to think that i know a little bit about what makes a good one or a bad one.

How did i decide on a Labradoodle?

My house mates had a Spanish Water Dog which i absolutely loved but she was a little bit to small for me so when I had my own house i decided that i wanted a dog that was similiar to a SWD but bigger. The closest i could find after hours of research was a Labradoodle.

How did i find my Labradoodle?

The internet was the starting point and i found two breeders that i liked the sound of, "Kimberlenes and Wentwoods" After a phone call to both i got good vibes and as Kimberlenes was closest i paid them a visit first. Now, for those on here that got there puppy from Kimberlenes please don't think that i am slating them as i found all the dogs there lovely especially pluto who i would have taken home there and then if he would have let me. However Steve (I think that was his name) was not very forthcoming with information about the breeding of the pups and when i asked to see the father he said i couldn't but gave no explanation. I also asked to see a particular dog that had attracted me to Kimberlenes on the website and he said i couldn't see her either. The pups were kept in a barn with straw, this i have seen many times and don't have a problem with it. Overall it was nice enough but a feel that Steve is a victim ofg his own success, his pups are very nice and due to his celebrity clients he charges a premium £1,200 which again i don't have a problem with but he did not seem to want to disclose every last bit of detail about the dog i was about to purchase (And i was close) and this is what lost me, i thanked him and left feeling a little put out but definately dissapointed.

Next was Wentwood, now Jackie insisted on a deposit before my visit, this is standard practice for many breeders as it weens out the timewasters, she stated that at any time it was refundable no questions asked. I paid my deposit and booked a date. Myself and my girlfriend took the long drive to Wentwoods where we finally met Jackie. Firstly what a lovely part of the world she lives in, the house is beautiful and the grounds are fantastic, after a debrief from Jackie where she literally told me every detail of my doodles back ground i was asked about what type of dog myself and my gf would like. After describing the type of people we were and what kind of dog we wanted she asked us to move to another room where we would meet the puppy's in pairs, by a process of elimination we chose a puppy that we liked (Well actually she chose us) we left her and went outside to meet the parents, the dad was a lovely white standard poodle (Thunder) and the mom was a brown lab, also very friendly. We then went back into the house for a cup of tea where we were encouraged to ask any questions while Jackie went through paperwork, e.g. Vets check up cards, vaccination records, pet plan 6 weeks insurance. When we were finally satisfied we decided to take our pup and i had to remind Jackie that we had to pay her, it was clear to me that Jackie is not in this game for the money.

We finally got our doodle into the car for the journey home and decided on a name. We have now had Daisy for 3 weeks and she is a joy, i am so unbelievably happy and cannot recommend Jackie at Wentwoods enough, a lovely lady made getting Daisy a wonderful experience and i will certainly be getting a second pup from her in the future.

I will try and post a few pics of Daisy on here shortly.

All the best Stuart
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Post by Stu » 09 Apr 2007, 22:29

My Daisy

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She is such a joy.
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Post by stu&suz » 09 Apr 2007, 22:32

welcome to the forum and what a great story i bet your thrilled . Hudson is our first ever dog and we had similar experiance with our breeder who was fantastic. There is at least one other Daisy on here too ! ( and im a Stu too !! )

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Post by GUNNER » 09 Apr 2007, 22:43

Aaaah Stu, Daisy is a gorgeous Doodette, congratulations and welcome :D :D Love that last pic, she's coming atcha :lol:

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Post by magmar » 10 Apr 2007, 08:16

Oh Daisy is lovely I love the look in her eyes!
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Post by Carole g » 10 Apr 2007, 08:36

It is very unusual practice to demand a deposit before you see puppies and puts extra pressure on the buyer, I know of no pedigree breeder who does this. As to Wentwood Livestock Agency not breeding for money, they are commercial breeders producing a very large number of litters of 8 different breeds. Its nice to hear that the conditions are good when so very many puppies are being produced.
Over the last year, they have sold, in addition to some adult bitches, these litters that I know of.

Labrador litter ready, 13/4/06
Lhaso Apso 09/4/06
Shih Tzu 31/5/06
Labrador 17/06/06
Labrador 20/6/06
Labradoodle 13/8/06
Labradoodle 22/8/06
Labradoodle 01/10/10/06
Labradoodle 01/11/06
Labradoodle 25/11/06
Labradoodle 20/01/07
Miniature poodle 5/2/07
Goldendoodles 7/2/07
Jack Russel 13/2/07
Miniature Dachsund 31/04/07
Labrador litter ready mid april, mother not owned by them
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Post by Stu » 10 Apr 2007, 09:29

Carole,

Firstly, everybody is entitled to their opinion and i agree that Wentwoods do have a lot of litters and it was a concern of mine at first.

However, and i can only speak from the Flat Coated Retriever side of things, Deposits are common place. Maybe not in the Poodle world but each breed is govened by different types of people as i am sure you understand as you seem a knowledgable lady. There was no pressure on me at all to buy a puppy there and then and Jackie would have been more than happy to refund me if i wasn't happy or indeed if she felt that we were not suitable owners (She interrogated me quite well :) )

Secondly, i emplore you to visit Wentwood as a mystery customer, i have been to perhaps 20 breeders in my time, mainly FCR's but also labradors and Spanish water dogs and i can honestly say (At the risk of upsetting my mother and some of her breeder friends) Wentwoods is by far superior to any i have been to.

The conditions there are just fantastic, i was absolutely blown away by how beautiful the kennels and living area for the dogs is. The care and attention they are given is second to none.

Jackie is totally dedicated to rearing the puppies to the best of her ability and in my honest opinion (For what it is worth) i commend her and thank her for making the process so pleasurable.

My comment regarding money......

It is clear that charging £750 for a puppy and having multiple litters is going to provide an income, i for one don't begrudge this at all as i know how hard it is breeding helathy pups. However i have since discovered via different sources that Jackie actually uses the absolute best feeds and in fact the best of everything. I know not all breeders do this.

I also meant that it was clear to me that if Wentwoods shut down tomorrow Jackie would not suffer financially as she is obviously financially comfortable independantly of the breeding. This is actually very important to me as it meant that she did not treat it as a business and trust me she doesn't.

Your list really illustrates nothing other than the fact that Wentwoods have nothing to hide, they advertise the fact openly and stand by their success. Many on E-Pupz or other such places could and probably are having many more litters from small houses or barns but are not being so open about it. (Nothing against E-pupz or such sites if thats what your happy dealing with)

At the end of the day you are all welcome to your opinion, i just wanted to illustrate how happy i was with my decisions in the hope that somebody who needs help may have a similiar experience.

All the best

Stuart
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Post by frosty » 10 Apr 2007, 10:40

Hi Stu

Welcome to the site...Daisy is a real beauty :lol: :lol:

How old is she now??? I have Hector from Kimberlenes, and now Archie who is one of Hector's offspring and 11 weeks old...

I had no issues with Steve at all but then I didn't get Hector as a pup he was one of his potential stud dogs....but I do know that other people have had issues with not getting all the relevant info on parents etc...and TBH when you are paying that sort of money then its the least you should expect....so totally understand why you decided against it.

Anyway enjoy Daisy, I have had Archie just over a week now and feel like he's been here for ages :lol: :lol:
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Post by Stu » 10 Apr 2007, 10:46

Hi Frosty,

Daisy is 11 Weeks now and seems to grow daily.

Steve was a nice guy just a little guarded perhaps, or maybe it was just me. Either way all the dogs were in excellent health and very biddable (If thats the right word) but i guess you need to be 100% before you buy a dog and there was something missing from Steve and i could not put my finger on it.

As i said before i loved Pluto he was a beauty and i hope Dasiy turns out something like him.

All the best

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Post by Bean » 10 Apr 2007, 12:26

Hi Stu, love the pics of Daisy, she looks a real character, very pretty too. They do take over your life once you get them home dont they.

I notice you are in West Mids, we live near Lichfield, are you anywhere near us? We dont have any doodle friends nearby at the moment, although i think my Bean would probably be a bit big to play with Daisy at the moment!!

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Post by Stu » 10 Apr 2007, 12:49

Hi Beans mom,

We are on the outskirts of Wolverhampton, not far from junction 2 of the M54.

I am sure that Daisy would love to meet Bean, she is already socialising with the GF's sisters lab and her parents Jack russell.

The lab knocks her around a little bit through shear exuberance but Daisy handles it very well.

It would be great to meet up with a fellow Doodle owner to compare notes sometime in the future. I will be in touch when she has grown.

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Post by Bean » 10 Apr 2007, 12:54

Excellent, we live near a newly planted plantation, its all fenced in with rabbit proof fencing so great for small pups to run but not get into trouble. Would be good to meet up and give them a run together. bye.

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Post by Carole g » 10 Apr 2007, 13:41

Hi Stu, None of what I say is against your lovely puppy, it is all to do with "how to buy a puppy"
I will get straight to the point
The RSPCA and all other dog welfare agencies recommend going to a small home breeder and avoid those with many different breeds. The reason is clear, the large breeders with many breeds are not breeding for the betterment of the breed but will breed whatever will sell at the time. It is very difficult with such breeders to discover how often bitches are bred particularly when the puppies are not registered. The RSPCA is giving out excellent advice and I wish more people would listen to them.

Wentwood livestock are horse dealers and very successful, selling 350 horses a year as well as all these puppies, not all of which are bred by them. It is very hard to know how anyone can socialize so many litters of puppies, frankly its impossible. Im glad to hear the conditions are wonderful and of course I could not go as a "mystery" buyer as you have to pay even to see the puppies. Deposits are normal, of course, once you have made a selection but not before you even can see the litter!

Despite them being a huge business there is a considerable degree of caution at giving out their address, just some rambling directions from the motorway, not even the postcode is on their website and that does seem very odd.

The breeding animals, in particular the bitches are not named on the website, why is this, arent they important?

This is without doubt a highly successful business, but the welfare agencies recommend avoiding the big dog breeding businesses and I absolutely agree with them. People should first try to locate a home bred dog from a small breeder whose interest is in their own breed and there are plenty of those available.
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Post by Jackie M » 10 Apr 2007, 13:44

Hi Stu,
Daisy looks gorgeous,
She's a great colour - I love the way she blends in with your kitchen floor.

Bean wrote: I notice you are in West Mids, we live near Lichfield, are you anywhere near us? We dont have any doodle friends nearby at the moment, although i think my Bean would probably be a bit big to play with Daisy at the moment!!
Hi Bean, We live nearish to you, just the other side of Burton!
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Post by Stu » 10 Apr 2007, 14:22

Carole,

Firstly an address would be no good to you, Wentwoods is in a very remote part of the countryside and without the directions you woudl never find it. the Sat Nav even gets lost, there is no other reason than that as far as i know. However as it is clear that she has some very large stables with live in staff to tend to the horses and as horse theft is on the rise i guess it can't hurt not to tell any would be thieves exactly where to go.

I didn't take anything that you said personally, that's not my style, especially as i am big enough and ugly enough to make up my own mind regardless of what anybody else says or thinks.

To say that Wentwood are not breeding for the better of the breed is unfair and a generalisation and Jackie does not deserve to be tarred with that brush. She is very concerned about Labradoodles and their future and is extremely knowledgeable on them to boot.

I am probably going to get some flak for what i am going to say next but i don't like going to home breeders, it's just not for me so Kimberlenes or Wentwoods were how i decided to buy my puppy. With the experience that i had i would never do it any other way. When my family has purchased from home breeds we have had mixed results some perfect some not so. However they were all loved and cared for regardless.

It worked out 100% perfect for me and the vet gave Daisy 100% bill of health so that is all that matters.

Stu
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