Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

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Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by lokidoodle » 11 Oct 2011, 23:56

I haven't posted for a while, and feel a bit cheeky only posting now I need some advice, but here goes... Loki, who is now 5 months old, was bitten today by two big vicious terriers of some kind. He adores playing with other dogs and we have been working hard on his recall and had been making good progress - finally he was coming even when there was an exciting distraction - but this evening he decided to ignore me.

I had him off-lead in our usual park, and he was having great fun playing with his friends who all meet at the same time each day. I have heard really bad things about the owner of these 2 dogs from the other dogwalkers - he refuses to keep them on the lead and they have savaged several of Loki's friends. When confronted by one of the owners after her dog was bitten, she was told to 'keep your f-ing dogs on a lead if you see me'. As a result, I have taken to keeping Loki on a lead when he's around - however today I didn't even notice him until it was too late.

Loki was playing with Diesel and I was quite relaxed and chatting to the other humans - the next thing I knew, he was bounding off towards these dogs in the distance. The other dogwalkers told me it was those dogs and I started to yell but he just kept going. When he got close, he lay and rolled onto his belly submissively - he often does this when approaching new dogs - but the first dog was on him straight away and he let out an almighty cry. The first dog then left him alone and he started to stagger towards me yelping pitifully - before he could get to me the second dog was on him and there was much more screaming. I wanted to intervene, and if there was one crazy dog I probably would have, but with two I was too chicken. Eventually it left him and, even as I comforted him, he howled in agony for what must have been a minute. The owner called out "is he ok?" to which I replied "Not sure" and I took him home for cuddles and a special dinner.

He's since seemed a bit subdued, and although he seemed ok when I first examined him, now a bloody scar seems to have appeared on his chest so I'm going to take him to the vets first thing tomorrow. To be honest I found the whole thing pretty traumatic, never mind what it must have been like for the dog, and I think just typing this has made me feel a bit better, but I don't know what to do. I'm certainly going to keep working hard on improving Loki's recall but there are several possible courses of action:-

a) stop going to that park - possible but we have a really good group of dogs there, and Loki has some great friends. Plus I don't see why we should have to stop going.

b) confront the owner - I'm about as soft as my dog and I certainly don't want to get into an aggressive confrontation with this guy and from what I've heard he doesn't sound like he's willing to listen to reason

c) involve the police - instinctively I don't like doing this but perhaps there's no other choice

d) other?

Any thoughts much appreciated.
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Re: Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by Bid » 12 Oct 2011, 00:06

Poor Loki :( . Puppies will make a horrendous screaming cry when threatened, and often there is no actual harm done, but this sounds like Loki was actually bitten :(

I think what I would do is first of all try to make sure that Loki meets some of his friends on his next walk out so he isn't put off playing with friendly dogs. I would also let the dog warden know what had happened - just as you have explained it here - if you look on your council website you can probably email the dog warden if you find that easier than phoning!

I hope Loki gets on OK at the vet and the bite isn't too bad :(
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Post by lokidoodle » 12 Oct 2011, 00:12

Thank you Bid, that's really helpful. I didn't even realise there were such things as dog wardens (at least not for dealing with dangerous dogs) - somehow that feels more appropriate than involving the police
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Re: Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by tynkerbelluk » 12 Oct 2011, 01:15

Some owners are just unbelievable :evil: Poor Loki, I too would be inclined to get him checked over by your vet tomorrow just to make sure you haven't missed anything but also as a record of the attack. The fact that another dog walker has had trouble with this owner and his dogs sets alarm bells ringing, especially as there are two of them and they seem to be working as a pair. Definately one for the dog warden in my opinion before they do some irreparable damage.
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Re: Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by nicollf » 12 Oct 2011, 07:30

How awful. We have had a similar problem in the park where Lottie plays with her friends. A rather bad tempered staffie has attacked one of the other dogs. The owner of the dog that was attacked was distraught and confronted the other owner who was not interested in hearing from him. He followed the other dog owner to find out where he lived but did not see where he went so he went to the police. They took details but said that as the dogs were off the lead both owners were in the wrong and by following the other owner he could be accused of stalking!

I think the idea of contacting the dog wardens is good, but, depending on local by- laws, it may mean having to keep the dogs on the lead. Loki will probably be more careful about who he approaches now.

Please don't let this put you off letting Loki play with other dogs as it is so important to get them socialised! Maybe your Vet will have some good advice.
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Post by Clairejen » 12 Oct 2011, 08:39

Poor Loki, what a horrible experience, I hope he is back to his usual self today. Bid is right, the screaming is usually a please don't hurt me rather than a you are hurting me noise. And it doesn't seem to affect the friendly doodle nature when these things happen.

Like you, I am a coward when it comes to confronting people. Sometimes it helps to have big, scary looking friends, somehow aggressive owners don't take quite the same attitude when someone larger and tougher looking than them tells them to keep their dogs under control, or gives their dog a thrashing (which I have seen someone do to an aggressive rottweiller with a dreadful owner).
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Post by Norfolk family » 12 Oct 2011, 11:10

One of my dogs got attacked by a pack of 4 staffies when she was 8 months old. They opened a garden gate and just went straight for her. We phoned the police who told us to ring the dog warden. The dog warden told us to ring the police who then told us to try the RSPCA. They couldn't do anything because a human hadn't been bitten even though this happened in the street outside a shop and people could have got bitten. They told us to ring the police back and after my husband had a go at the police over the phone for being useless we finally got a community police officer come out to us. He's also useless and I'd looked on the government website and the owners should have been fined but instead just got given advice on keeping their gate secure! We still feel very let down by the police, dog warden and RSPCA!

Nothing used to scare Miley until that happened and we've since got two more doodles and she's become very protective of them. To report someone you need to know their house number/name and street. The RSPCA said that if I'd known the house number they'd have gone round for a chat. I asked them to come to mind and I'd walk them round to the property as it was only round the corner from me but they said they couldn't.

Please don't stop taking Loki to that park! You need to carry on as before. Hope he gets on ok at the vets xxx

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Post by JeanG » 12 Oct 2011, 11:21

Why doesn't the law protect us? What's wrong with this country? I often feel that a return to the old days of public flogging and the stocks would actually be a GOOD thing! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Posts like this make me so sad because there's so little you can REALLY do. There are "procedures" :roll: but they are ineffective!!! The police are ineffective as they are so tied up with red tape that they spend 10 minutes cautioning someone then 5 hours filling in the paperwork! :evil:

Yes, I would put this owner in the stocks - and he should be banned from keeping animals for life!
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Post by Glenda » 12 Oct 2011, 13:46

Poor Loki and poor you... how frightening for you both :( :(

Do hope Loki is feeling better/happier today. :D
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Post by tillytubbie » 12 Oct 2011, 14:12

I feel for you!! Tilly has been attacked several times. The worst being when a Great Dane got her on her back on the floor, paws around her neck, biting her!! :shock: :shock:
I would get Loki out and socializing again!! With friendly dogs!
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Re: Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by lokidoodle » 12 Oct 2011, 15:47

Thanks all for your kind comments. The vet examined him and thankfully thinks he'll be fine - he has given him a shot of antibiotics as a precautionary measure.

Loki seems a bit more cheery today and we just had a short lunchtime walk which he enjoyed so I think he must be on the mend! :P
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Re: Puppy bitten - unpleasant owner - what to do?

Post by allyjayne » 12 Oct 2011, 16:31

Herbie's been attacked 5 times now twice by the same dog.
I now carry a dog stop alarm or a rape alarm every time I take him out.
It has worked the once I needed to use it but it really hurts your ears!
Please do take him back with his friends as soon as possible Herbie is now wary of strange dogs at first but he is improving every day.
The worst thing I did was keep him on a lead so that the next time it happened he couldn't get away it was only after that he got wary and its only on his lead he will growl off lead no problems because he can get away.
Unfortunatly all but one of the owners could give a monkeys one was even laughing !!
It is a very sad fact of life that pratts get big powerful dogs and they enjoy the havoc they leave behind them
I'm very sorry your puppy was attacked but don't let them beat you enjoy your walks and get an alarm
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