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Life of Riley
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Other dog owners.....

Post by Life of Riley » 30 Jan 2013, 15:43

Was out walking last Sunday with two friends and their dogs (Flat Coat Retriever and pointer/lab cross)...both older than Riley. The three of them get on very well and we meet up most Sundays and go on a route that means we only see a few other dogs (unless it has snowed and..where do they all come from??). For a few weekends now we have come across a couple walking a male lurcher (Riley says a brief hi and that's it) and a female lab....Riley always says a longer hello to her BUT she seems very nervous and overly submissive. Said couple are very unfriendly.
Weekend before last, Riley spots them in the field down the old railway embankment and dashes off to say hello...some dog whistling/shouting (from me) later (a few mins at most and never out of my sight) he hurtles back up the embankment and rejoins us. Last Sunday we meet them at a different place and Riley as usual takes a long doggy sniff at the female lab. We continued to walk away from them (going in opposite directions) and I call and whistle...he doesn't like to be too far from me normally and will then bound to catch up. Female dog is just crouching on the floor...there is no aggression from Riley but she just sits there (when other females give him a 'go away' snap...well he tends to get the message pretty quick).
Anyway I am walking and whistling and then turn to see the man manhandling Riley by the collar away from his dog. Riley is now 40kg and wears a harness, the collar is just for his ID (as per the law), as the potential for damage to the trachea with pulling on the collar for such a sized dog is high. As you might imagine, I am less than impressed to see some stranger manhandling/dragging my dog by the collar and we exchange words! He lets Riley go who runs to me as I knew he would have anyway.
Now I know that young dogs can be overly attentive in their hellos (doodles are the famous meet and greeters) but there was no aggression from Riley towards either dog. Yes the female was clearly not impressed but in my opinion she is overly submissive which suggests behavioural issues. poor socialisation or trauma perhaps, which are being reinforced by the owner dragging off other dogs.
My problem is that come this Sunday I know we will bump into them again. I have just re-started high value treat recall with Riley (now 15 months), but he does always comes back. He is not food driven at all, so it wilI continue to be a challenge.
I just want him to come back when I initially call. I realise that being a doodle I may never achieve this.
Sorry just needed to get it off my mind :?
Any thought or suggestions welcome.
thanks
Tracey
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Post by Maggie111 » 30 Jan 2013, 15:52

Barney is a monkey for this - as you say, he is always in my eye sight, comes back in under 2 minutes and I have seen people manhandle him. He's a big dog and they mistake exuberance for boisterousness and want to protect their dogs. I just swallow all that sadness down that they would grab him like that, or "kick" him like that...

At the end of the day it's my responsibility that Barney not go running off. He is always on a lead if a dog is in sight. The only time nowadays he runs off is when he's already playing with dogs and another comes nearby that is 'better' :roll:

If there are no dogs around - he's loose and I'm on the look out. He's then clipped on a lead until I can shout over to the other dog owner if I can let my dog off lead. No one has yet said no, but it does stop Barney bounding over and playing rough with a poorly dog and owners have never got snippy, because I asked first - so what can they say if my dog goes over to say hello so eagerly?

All of these stupid excuses I hear from people when Barney runs over uninvited I never hear if I ask first. Which is good - it hurts to roll my eyes! :roll: :lol:

(You know the ones, my dog doesn't like big dogs... Big dogs always hump my dog etc!! :roll: )
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Post by Life of Riley » 30 Jan 2013, 16:09

Hi there
I do exactly that....if I spot a dog we don't know (I scan the horizon), Riley is put on the lead. He isn't aggressive but has been 'set upon' by young unneutered males (Riley is still unneutered and won't be done until 18 months...large breed, growth plates another story). Imagine two young males in a town centre after too much to drink...a lot of noise but no teeth...
Females...never an issue. So after there were no issues the first time we encountered them (ages back) I don't now put him on the lead when I see them. After all he is just being a dog (albeit of the doodle variety). I have a close neighbour with two labs....one of his is a bit like this female lab. When we meet he tells me not to put Riley on the lead as it is good for his to realise nothing bad will happen...it is just a sniff.
And yes many people see a big dog and make all sorts of assumptions. When a young unneutered male spaniel jumped Riley it was Riley who eventually had him pinned to the floor with his paws (never any teeth). I pulled Riley off the dog with his harness and his dog then went for Riley's legs...the man had to kick his dog away while I had full countol of Riley.
The man started to have a go at me until I pointed out just whose dog started it and then continued once I had Riley off him..which he had plainly seen. He did then apologise.
Riley is a gentle giant but will defend himself to a degree if he has to.
People misinterpret the size! :(
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Post by The Turners » 30 Jan 2013, 17:42

Poor Riley. :(
Your doing the right thing persevering with the recall. :D
When you see them again if you don't manage to see them before Riley goes over for the famous doodle meet & great. :wink:
Follow him over instead of walking away & whistling.
So that you can remove Riley from the situation instead of the other owner.
It's what we have to do with my sisters dog Fred :) (Honorary dood)
Good Luck.
So nice to see a post from you, I bet Riley has grown so much since I last saw him.
We'll have to arrange a Melton Mowbray meet soon. :D
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Post by Bid » 30 Jan 2013, 18:04

I had this for a while with Beamish - he is a lot more restrained with his greetings since he has his neutering implant though. He hasn't an agressive bone in his body, but wants to play and he also got interested in humping so he had to go on his lead. :oops: :roll:

I can see the lab's owners point really - if his girl is timid, she should be able to walk unmolested. I can also see that it is a nuisance if he is going to be walking in the same place as you though.
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Post by bedlingtondoodle » 30 Jan 2013, 19:43

Bid wrote:

I can see the lab's owners point really - if his girl is timid, she should be able to walk unmolested. I can also see that it is a nuisance if he is going to be walking in the same place as you though.

So true.

Work on YOUR dogs recall...no one can manhandle your dog unless they are within arms reach of them. So if your dog comes straight back to you all these situations can be avoided.

I don't mean to be awful but if you as an owner let you dog get into a bad situation (where someone else is taking steps to control your dog) then you have let the dog down, if needs be go and get the dog to come away with you.

Seems that you are doing well with the training just keep it up :)
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Post by dexter14 » 30 Jan 2013, 19:50

Dexter is the same ,a woman had got dog on lead and one off dexter ran over to the dog off lead and was running around playing but he kept goin over to the diog that was on lead the woman was flusterd and her dogs coller came off she had to grab him cause he snaped at dexter ,but its dexters fault ,not knowing to leave bad dogs alone ,i felt a fool cause i kept shouting him and didnt take any notice of me ,having too much fun so in the end i shouted im going by by and within a few mins he was behind me.If you find the answer to this please let me know.
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Post by jefferson » 30 Jan 2013, 20:43

Hi Tracey
I have had similar problems with my Riley (coincidently also had his 1st birthday on Halloween,spooky eh). Anyway he has had a few altercations with some other bigger dogs and it has made him a bit more wary and now tends to do that see a dog sit down stand up wag his tail and see what response he gets :) if the other dog seems willing to play then off he will bound and have a lovely game of chase and running round like a loony :lol: . however, in saying that, only yesterday he did just as i described to a german shepherd dog and the other dog did the tail dowwn ears flat and took up a stalking pose. i went to move in front of Riley and the other dog pounced throwing Riley to the floor.the dogs owner=useless but i managed to get his dog off. Riley was ok but i do sometimes think that despite our best efforts(training classes etc) that sometimes it will just go wrong. I would definitely persevere with the 'immediate' recall,my old trainer told me the most important thing for a dog to learn was recall as ultimately that could one day save their life (or keep them out of trouble which is much more likely with a doodle!) and also as Nicky said,go over with Riley to the other dog(other people wont be so quick to man handle your dog if you are in front of them).
good luck

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Post by doodleted » 31 Jan 2013, 00:29

Hi. Our doodle Ted is 13months old and we have the same problems. He is really good at coming back when called but as soon as he sees another dog off he goes to say hi.I think because hes big and bouncy some people find him intimidating. We always try to put his lead on if its not a dog we recognise. I find this difficult cos when hes not on his lead he says hi then comes when called. When hes on his lead he jumps around barks and whimpers and on one occasion pulled me over. I have found most other dog owners are happy to have a doodle welcome and the odd ones who dont like it seem to have anti social dogs anyway.
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Post by Bramble's Mum » 31 Jan 2013, 00:47

Bramble is also inclined to hurl herself at other dogs so I really try and keep my radar primed for possible Doodle amubushes. Fortunately her recall is now improving and she's generally getting much better about coming back to me, nonetheless, I think Doodles are very full on for a lot of other dogs. I walk a neighbour's Collie with Bramble and Bramble just wants to play ALL the time - poor Polly gets a bit fed up with her so I can also understand that non-Doodle people and non-doods might find an incoming Doodle missile a little off putting. If I don't know another dog, I grab Bramble and then ask if they are ok for me to let her go with the warning that she's friendly but very boisterous. Most people are fine, but having owned a dog in the past which I always had to have on a lead as she was dog aggressive, I can also recall being really irritated when other people let their dogs come up without asking or couldn't get them to come back and then grumbled when they got snapped at as I always told people to keep their distance. My old dog was a rescue and had had a very traumatic early life - behaviour issues aren't always the owners' fault.
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Post by Life of Riley » 31 Jan 2013, 10:02

Thanks for everyone's comments and suggestions. I guess it comes down to your interpretation of a bad situation. Riley will say hello and then come away (particularly if they don't want to play)...it just wasn't in a time frame that the dog owner was happy with....we are talking a few minutes. It wasn't a bouncy scary hello just a sniff and lots of tail wagging from him. So I didn't interpret it as a bad situation, hence the decision to walk on calling/whistling - knowing he will follow.
Yes the dog is timid but overly so...and while she should be able to walk 'unmolested' Riley is equally entitled to walk off lead.
This weekend I certainly won't be leaving Riley's side when we encounter these people again.
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Post by Life of Riley » 31 Jan 2013, 10:08

The Turners wrote:Poor Riley. :(
Your doing the right thing persevering with the recall. :D
When you see them again if you don't manage to see them before Riley goes over for the famous doodle meet & great. :wink:
Follow him over instead of walking away & whistling.
So that you can remove Riley from the situation instead of the other owner.
It's what we have to do with my sisters dog Fred :) (Honorary dood)
Good Luck.
So nice to see a post from you, I bet Riley has grown so much since I last saw him.
We'll have to arrange a Melton Mowbray meet soon. :D
Nicky

Hi Nicky
Lovely to hear from you, and I will be handling it differently this weekend. But that won't be by putting Riley on the lead, but by closely monitoring the situation. Riley has tuned out to be a typical big doodle :) and people keep telling me he is still growing but I don't see it myself.
You are always welcome to join us at Melton Mowbray. Often in the Country park and head out to Scalford and back along the Jubilee Way....bar this unfriendly couple (they have never said hello back even BEFORE this happened last weekend)....it is a great walk with some swimming opportunities and lots of lovely fields for the dogs to race round in.
Tracey
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