A Rant About Other Dogs & Their Owners

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Lawsyd
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A Rant About Other Dogs & Their Owners

Post by Lawsyd » 24 Sep 2015, 08:23

Sooty has only been going out in public for less than a week following her puppy injections. So far (apart from main roads, where the car noise frightens her) everything has gone well. She does think that every human & every other dog only wants to say 'hello' or play - but that is nothing more than youthful enthusiasm. This morning on the way back from our walk we arrived at a pavement junction & almost bumped into an Alsatian type who I did not know (I know, as do most dog owners, a lot of the local dogs). The Alsatian was about four or five times Sooty's size & I instinctively picked Sooty up. What happened next? That's it - the Alsatian owner went into a 'Your dog has to learn to deal with other dogs' rant. I know that Sooty has to deal with other dogs, but she will do it at the behest of Mrs Lawsyd or I - not at the say so of a total stranger with a big dog. Why can't other owners accept this?

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Post by Sandy B » 24 Sep 2015, 10:11

I think some owner forget their dogs were puppies once. Its natural to want to protect Sooty, she is just a baby. If it happens with him again tell him to bog off!! I still get a few comments about Dolly jumping up at people when she is off lead . I do understand that if you see a huge dood running at you at 100 mph it could be scarey but she is still a puppy and LOVES other people. I am trying my best to stop it but we all know the selective deafness doods seem to be born with. Hope Sooty wont be scared of big dogs, I am sure she will be fine.
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Post by Lawsyd » 24 Sep 2015, 11:00

Thanks for your comment Sandy. I forgot to add in my original post that Alsatian owner came up with the other classic 'defence' (usually applied to dogs that are actually just the opposite) 'He's OK, he wouldn't harm another dog.' Well sorry, I'm not prepared to take a chance when the size difference alone - apart from any age / life experience difference - was as between a slightly built Olympic gymnast & a Sumo wrestler.

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Post by dexysback » 24 Sep 2015, 13:37

I know its a puppy and that's different ,but the other day we were getting ready to come home from park ,and dexter was looking for squirrels to chase, didnt have mind on any thing else ,but as we were getting by gates dexter went towards a girl around 12 she had a dog that was a westie size ,and as soon as she saw dexter she picked her dog up waving him about ,and dexter didn't even bother with her .The thing is its making the dog afraid of dogs and if something had kicked off and a bad dog had jumped up for dog the girl might have been bitten, her granddad was with her talking too a man. Its a hard thing to know how another dog will react .Iv done it myself if I have seen a bull terrier I have panicked and put dexter on lead ,and gone other way ,but most times he's been fine and just played with them ,my partner is more relaxed and lets him off lead and lets him play with any type even rotties, and dexter seems to have more fun with him ,its hard to know what to do.
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Post by jonb » 24 Sep 2015, 16:18

Its hard to know whats the best thing to do at times. Roker is pretty well behaved despite the compulsory cloth ears moments when he'd decided whatever he is doing is far more fun than what i want him to do. As a rough general rule i will put Roker back on his lead or make sure he cant get to other dogs on leads either by entertaining him with his ball which 99% of the time will win over anything. If the other dog is off the lead i will not be more carefree but will let them play with each other if they want to which generally seems to end with a game of chase.

Its not a foolproof plan by any means and its more successful in local places where as mentioned you start to learn which dogs are ok and which arent. I seemed to find whilst Roker has been growing up that the more you make a big deal of things happening the more he seems to look for it. I initially would make a big deal if i saw another dog shouting him or getting a treat\ball to get his attention but he clicked on after a while that i was doing this because there was another dog so the first thing he did was look for them. Then learned to try and mix it up a bit so he didnt click on.

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Post by Bid » 24 Sep 2015, 17:09

I understand totally the instinct to pick your pup up, but to be honest it is one of the worst things you can do. First of all it tells your pup that there is something to worry about and at this stage in her life she needs to gain confidence rather than fears. The other thing that happens is that other dogs will jump up to see her, which is perfectly natural. This puts you at risk of being knocked over, and is scary for your pup because as you are holding her you are effectively reducing her options and rendering her helpless. I know she seems small and defenceless but she isn't. Adult dogs have this built in knowledge about pups, and pups have a special licence to get away with stuff (it generally goes when they get their adult teeth) so unless you are very unlucky and come across a very poorly socialised dog then puppy/adult meetings usually go well. If a pup is frightened they do a very loud high pitched scream - which doesn't mean they are being attacked, it means "don't touch me I am only a puppy" and is their first line of defence - most adult dogs will leap away in horror when they hear it.
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Post by Lawsyd » 25 Sep 2015, 06:58

A couple of thoughts. Firstly, I'm not sure if there was a problem with my computer or the forum yesterday afternoon or evening as I didn't receive notification of three of the replies - hence I've only just picked up on them.

Secondly, I must admit that I hadn't thought that by picking Sooty up I'm actually telling her that there is a situation to be afraid of. I'll bear that in mind next time we are in a similar situation. Having said that I'll 'defend' my action to some extent because we do live on the edge of a high crime area where a number of dogs are owned for 'protection' & also because our late mongrel Jimmy almost lost his life 4 years ago coming up against a 'He wouldn't harm anybody or anything' dog - it was only the skill of the vet that saved Jimmy.

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Post by Oscar2011 » 25 Sep 2015, 18:45

I think you need to judge every meeting on it's merits, there too is a few dog's around here who you wouldn't want to chance a meeting with, puppy or otherwise. In a perfect world you should be able to socialise your puppy with any dog you meet, but we all know that in towns/cities the situation is far from perfect. When Oscar was a pup, he was lunged at by a staffy, who's owner then decided to attack it's head with her heavy metal dog chain. I was left feeling angry, but also feeling sorry for the Staffy for having such a cretin for an owner :roll: . About a year and a half later Oscar was bitten by another Staffy whilst playing in our park, and just recently by an alsation cross in the same park. I think you do have to be on your gaurd though as doodles can be a little to friendly at times.

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Post by dexysback » 26 Sep 2015, 15:07

Its like today took dexter round a car boot ,which I usually leave him at home ,but he does love the attention he gets .The was a spaniel and dexter was looking at him and so was other dog which looked fine, a I said to dexter say hello ,this seems to let dexter know its ok as they went to greet each other the spanial at first was fine then out of the blue went to bite dexter ,dexter cried and went to go back barking at him .So I feel guilty telling him to say hello I read signals wrong ,it made me jumpy and dex after and stayed clear of others which might have been fine. I think ill leave him at home next time.
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Post by Jay128 » 27 Sep 2015, 14:10

Hi, I agree with Bid. It is difficult to allow our precious puppies to meet other dogs but I often see this happening from the other side of the coin. My son has an Alaskan malamute and as a puppy he just wanted to play, he was huge and other owners would pick up their dogs and try to get him to go away. He then became intrigued and wanted to see what they were hiding, he also seems to have received the message that because they have picked their dog up he can now dominate it and be the boss. There is a distinct difference between how he now reacts to the local dogs and this seems to go back to the picking up issue, the ones he had a controlled meeting with play beautifully with him whilst the others try to hide behind their owners and my son then has to go and physically remove him as he is intrigued by the hiding and thinks it's a game. My son becomes very frustrated by the behaviour of the owners as the only way his boy has learnt to behave is if he becomes to much the other dogs put him firmly in his place. The only way our Poppy learnt not to rush in every time seems to be because she has been firmly put in her place several times by older dogs who find her bouncing to much. The first time it happened I nearly died of shock but now she runs in a short distance, notes the body language of the other dog and often she decides not to bother, she has also learnt who will play and who won't through her interaction with the other dogs.
I know it's hard but she has never been so afraid that she has let out that awful scream as the older dogs have never hurt her just given her the odd grump, they seemed to recognise that she was a pup and treat her accordingly. If there was ever a dog I was really unsure of I just clipped her lead on and took her a different way but always tried to make the turn around seem like a positive thing so as not to make her afraid.
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