Anybody had a Doodle from Manorborn? DO you recommend them?

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Anybody had a Doodle from Manorborn? DO you recommend them?

Post by Midsdoodlewanter » 09 Nov 2007, 03:21

Hi just wondered if anyone has had a Doodle from Manorborn and if they recommend them...I've seen they breed both UK and ASD Doodles, and have a few litters due in the next few months.

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Post by Carole g » 09 Nov 2007, 08:31

I have no experience of the commercial breeder concerned.

I would never recommend buying from any large scale commercial breeder. I've known many where the pretty websites bear no resemblance to reality. Stage management of visiting pups, no pedigrees and no certainty of who is the mother (amongst so many), and when she last had a litter (with no registation of non pedigree pups this is impossible to verify). I am certain that you cannot make money from breeding dogs unless ethics are thrown out of the window. You can make an absolute fortune, though, by breeding unethically. View the beautiful properties and ultra clean kennels with the question, how was this paid for?

There should be a better way than this, for genuine posters, like you, to find a good breeder. Some of the least scrupulous, have several aliases on these forums, one asks the question, "where can I get a puppy?", another alias says they are wonderful. Some genuine poster says... hang on a bit, the RSPCA, Dog's Trust etc all recommend buying from the specialist small home breeder. Eventually the actual breeder comes online to say, yes we do have pups and you're welcome to visit. I see you are planning to go to a doodle meet, thats a good way to get advice.
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Post by PennyAli » 09 Nov 2007, 12:01

Hi

I know Julie, does send the pups off with a full pedigree history and puppy pack and with the copies off all the parents health certificates :D

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Post by Kat » 09 Nov 2007, 12:34

i absolutely agree with carole about large scale commercial breeders and would only buy from an occasional amateur, who is knowledgeable, open, takes their time and puts homing dogs responsibly and animal welfare first...i dont know manorborn but i would avoid anyone taking cash to secure (especially if they have gone so far as to offer online payment facilities) or who appears to have a lot of pups...how can you really find that many good homes? no-one shld feel obliged to buy a pup because they dont want to waste a deposit,,,, the breeder shld take the time to decide if the prospective families are suitable and not use money as a means to stop people pulling out.... the family shld equally be able to take the time to assess the 'breeder'.... i also think we need to really keep prices reasonable, so as to discourage people from breeding to make their fortune...
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Post by Carole g » 09 Nov 2007, 15:25

Ive also been STUNNED to see websites claiming that bitches need to be mated on successive seasons because of the risk of womb infection (pyo) Absolute TWADDLE! Such a bitch should be speyed not bred. Since commercial breeders must be Licensed it would also break the terms of the licence if the bitches continue to be mated on successive seasons, the law demands a year between litters for licensed breeders. There is no recourse to the vet to overturn this condition of a licence.

2 Licence conditions (1) In subsection (4) of section 1 of the 1973 Act (matters to which a local authority shall have regard in determining whether to grant a licence and about which conditions must be included in the licence), in paragraph (b) (dogs to be visited at suitable intervals, so far as necessary), omit “(so far as necessary)”.
(2) In that subsection, after paragraph (e) insert—
“(f) that bitches are not mated if they are less than one year old;
(g) that bitches do not give birth to more than six litters of puppies each;
(h) that bitches do not give birth to puppies before the end of the period of twelve months beginning with the day on which they last gave birth to puppies; and
(i) that accurate records in a form prescribed by regulations are kept at the premises and made available for inspection there by any officer of the local authority, or any veterinary surgeon or veterinary practitioner, authorised by the local authority to inspect the premises;”,
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Post by LouBeale » 09 Nov 2007, 17:06

I think these comments/observations should have been sent via pm to avoid yet another slanging match on a public forum. Please respect others when replying to messages, if you have something negative to say then say it privately! :wink:

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Post by Jac » 09 Nov 2007, 17:42

Well said LouBeale! There have been too many 'bun-fights' on this forum recently! :(
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Post by Labradorable » 09 Nov 2007, 19:08

Actually I disagree that it should be said via PM (although if I remember rightly that is what Mark has requested).

I think the more people that become aware of what goes on with bad commercial breeders the better, so discussing it on open forum is a GOOD thing. That's not to say that Manorborn are one of the bad guys, I have had no dealings with them so wouldn't have a clue, but I do think it's important to arm puppy buyers with information on what can happen with commercial breeders so they can make an informed decision.

Personally I would prefer to buy a puppy from a home bred litter where the puppies have been raised in the home and are the only litter and therefore get all the attention needed, become familiar with household noises and every day life in a busy family home, and are properly socialised. I don't think puppies can get a better start than that. It makes me cringe when I see photos on this forum or sites such as epupz with puppies sitting in sawdust, sand, or god knows what in an outdoor kennel with a tray of food resembling pig swill that they all share. And where is mum? :cry: Some 'breeders' don't even seem to mind putting up a photo of puppies with poo on them or sitting in dirty urine soaked newspaper :shock:

However, I don't think all commercial breeders can be tarred with the same brush. Some people do breed dogs as a way of making a living and that's fact. So long as the puppies (and of course the adult dogs) are properly cared for, health tested and LOVED, then that can only be a good thing as far as commercial breeding goes. Kimberlenes for example have been mentioned on this site numerous times as commercial breeders, but anyone who has actually been there, met their dogs or bought a puppy has had only good things to say about them and their dogs. We might not all agree with making a living from dog breeding or see it as ideal (I personally could not keep dogs living outside in kennels or otherwise just to keep them for breeding, showing or whatever), but there are a minority of commercial breeders who are not puppy farmers in the true sense of what we know puppy farmers to be. How the average puppy buyer differentiates between the two can be difficult when there are so many devious people around with all sorts of tricks and cons up their sleeves :?

Buyers do need to be made aware that there are many bad breeding establishments. If talking about commercial breeders on forums helps puppy buyers ask the right questions and be aware of the fact they could be putting money into a puppy farmers pocket, then all well and good.

Maybe another 'sticky' is in order along the same lines as the allergy one in order to raise awareness of puppy farms and poor commercial breeders. Then people can be pointed in that direction when asking about certain breeders and can do their own research and make their own minds up, rather than sweep it under the carpet via a PM.

Anyone can get a glossy website with lots of lovely cute chocolate box photos and anyone can breed dogs. Whether they put their heart and soul into breeding happy healthy dogs is another matter.

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Post by Labradorable » 09 Nov 2007, 19:17

As an example, compare these gorgeous puppies sitting on lovely clean bedding with toys etc over some other photos on this forum and elsewhere...

http://labradoodle.org.uk/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=5362

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Post by yoz1881 » 09 Nov 2007, 19:22

Labradorable, I absolutely agree with both of your posts
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Post by Carole g » 09 Nov 2007, 19:25

Lou Beale When what is recommended is against the law then that MUST be brought to the attention of the public who do not know the law. I did carefully state also that ethical breeding and large scale commercial breeding don't go hand in hand. I didnt just target all commercial breeding.
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Post by Katie Rourke » 09 Nov 2007, 23:57

Carole g wrote:I have no experience of the commercial breeder concerned.
:wink: Just in case anyone needs reminding! :wink:
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Post by noodledoodle » 10 Nov 2007, 00:42

My Noodle is from Manorborn, he is the best labradoodle ever I have nothing but praise for how julie reared him. Who is julie??? she is a lady with feelings who does not deserved this treatment at all !!!!!!!! :twisted:

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Post by johanne » 10 Nov 2007, 10:47

hi I breed a few puppies, my dogs are my children and i will not take a deposit untill i have met with the people who want my one of my puppies and spent some time with them my self and watched them with them. But you need to veiw the site mentioned to see what Carol is saying, there are not many ethics when you fill an application form in online!!! and if accecpeted send a deposit, and put down what colour and coat type in order of preference, how do the people concerned know they are selling a puppy to the right home if they have taken payment via paypal or something before, and what about the poor buyer as well, if you have really set your heart on a yellow fleece coat type and you get a black straight haired puppy!!!! what more need to be said SEE THE WEBB SITE FOR FURTHER INFO

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Post by olivia » 10 Nov 2007, 11:50


In Answer to your question Midsdoodlewanter do you Reccommend Manorborn
Well I can state a 100% yes I have 3 dogs from Manorborn, I Believe I am in a situation having first hand
experience and knowledge of Julie from Manorborn, Julie was very Professional, All Her dogs are Health Tested
Born in there Family Home there After care and support have been second to none,
I was kept up to date with Pictures of our wonderful Puppies they were Great
I am a very Happy doodle owner :D

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