which breeds worry you?

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by Loz » 18 Mar 2008, 23:43

I have to agree with mightdoodle. My brother owns a staffie and he is very friendly to the point where at 3 he still tries to kick you to death. I don't have a problem with him although I wouldn't leave the kids unattended with him.
Now then, we live in an area that has a lot of lets say static travellers. Were I to see one of them out with their staffie with its full studded boby harnness complete with medalion on the front would I go up and give it a pat. Like hell I would.
I think the muscley dogs are always going to get a bad rep because they were bred for fighting and in the wrong hands can be lethal.

But saying that I was bitten at the age of 5 by a neighbours Corgi which ripped through both lips. This was not an aggressive dog normaly and I'd given him plenty of cuddle before. He must of been having a bad day. Not a great experience but it didn't put me off dogs.

I would also say that I wouldn't leave my 14 month daughter in the same room unnattended with my own lovely 4 1/2 month dood even though he is quite well trained and generally gentle with her in my presence.
Maybe I'm too overprotective but I know from experience it only takes a split second.

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by Loz » 18 Mar 2008, 23:46

Sorry guys I meant lick you to death. He's not a donkey.

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by groover » 18 Mar 2008, 23:54

YORKIES :shock:
never met one yet that didn't yap its head off when i was still 50 feet away.
wouldn't trust one as far as i could through one (which considering there size would be quite far) Yorkie owners scare me even more. have never met one who's not protective to the point of being neurotic about their tiny tearaway coming face to face with another dog or even worse god forbid a doodle.
give me a rottie OR staffie any day. at least you know what your dealing with. :D

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by ALLY LAMBELL » 19 Mar 2008, 12:29

Japanese Akitas (their who reason for life is to pull and fight); GSD's because my sone was attacked by one. The one's that don't worry me are Rotties, Staffies, Dodies as it is the way they are treated and trained. I'm sometimes wary of Labs because more people are attacked by Labs than any other breed but maybe that's because there are more Labs around $%000 in the UK.

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by wet.dog70 » 19 Mar 2008, 13:24

FattySplash; you are sooo right!
I think the whole breed thing is a bit of a myth in that a balanced dog is no threat to anyone. Of course, it has been stated very correctly that certain types of people go for the 'dog-on-a-rope' image.
I grew up with boxers so I never really associated them with the group they have included with in this thread: rotties, staffies etc Funny that, I just never really saw that before but I suppose they are short-haired muscley dogs (maybe?). They were bred for fighting I suppose, I just never met an agressive boxer :? They mostly tigger around the place, trying to occupy as much air space as possible simultaneously! :D I know Cesar Millan has championed the Pit-Bull, pointing out that they are just a dog. But he puts GSDs, Pit-Bulls and Rotties in a group which is strong-willed, and I think that is right. A strong-willed dog can become agressive if it is not gripped from day one. I think that applies to all big dogs, they know they are big and can get away with it, if their owner is weak-willed. But I think Rotweilers are simply beautiful. I loved my old Newfie which wasn't a muscle dog as such but big certainly. I also loved the Neopolitan Mastiff in Crufts but reading about it, I see they need firm handling too.
Darcy (luckily) has a fantastic temperament and even at 7 months is doing so well. People tell me this is the labrador/poodle temperament but the biggest hooligans where I walk my dog are all black labs!
Similarly little dogs seem more volatile! :?
I've confused myself now. I think will follow FattySplash's advice and watch the owners because an awful lot of them seem pretty clueless :x
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by amber » 19 Mar 2008, 13:39

I think this thread is in the main damaging to dogs, when there is already enough media attention surrounding some of the breeds. The owners who bring them up to fight and be aggressive are obviously to blame. Not all dogs are Fred West, if you get my gist.
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by JanieM » 19 Mar 2008, 15:16

I never intended this thread to be damaging to dogs and I'm very sorry if it is :(
Just interested in people's thoughts. :D

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by MrsAdmin » 19 Mar 2008, 16:20

JanieM wrote:I never intended this thread to be damaging to dogs and I'm very sorry if it is :(
Just interested in people's thoughts. :D
I don't think it is damaging as it just goes to prove the point that nearly everyone agrees that any dog could be aggressive, no matter what their size or breed, and that the owners are mostly the problem as they either have an aggressive attitude themselves, are neurotic about protecting their 'baby' when it should be allowed to mix with other dogs and be just plain 'doggy' and learn socialising skills, or are just plain clueless about what a dog's needs are for training and the limitations they should place on expectations of what is a pack animal (i.e. not letting kids play on top of kennels or leave small children attended with any dog).

Everyone I have seen write on this forum seems to be concerned with dogs welfare and promoting their well being and happiness. A wide ranging debate like this just highlights that we all have different views and there is often no one set answer (except we al love Doodles of course :lol: )
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by Mightdoodle » 19 Mar 2008, 18:06

I think it's an interesting thread as it might challenge people's views. I'm certainly rethinking mine, and why I have them.

Are we truely saying that breeds don't carry specific traits then?

Are we saying doods generally aren't fun and playful, they are just all really unique? Are we saying collies don't have an obsessive trait and a need to work/train hard? Or that

I believe every dog is an individual. but certain breeds will carry a tendency to have specific personality traits, be that being bouncy, yappy, agressive, or obsessive, or a chewer! It doesn't mean that every dog of that breed will definitely have that trait, it just means it is more common. It also doesn't mean any breed can't be agressive. Personally I think agression is less likely with some breed than others.

I think some breeds are much easier to "mess up" and handle wrongly than others. And with certain breeds, this wrong handling will do more damage and cause aggression more in some dogs than others.

I think when I first looked at doods, I heard someone say they are hard to train wrongly and are quite forgiving - ie. you are less likely to create a really bad temperament than compared to some breeds.

Out of all the puppies at our dog training club, the only dog I can think of that regularly growls at other dogs is the boxer puppy. He's gorgeous though, and so, so cute, but I do worry about him when he's older.

Maybe I'm still being naive, but there you go.

Oh, and I personally don't like terriers as I was bitten by one repeatedly as a child (belonged to my aunt - it even ripped my aunt's ear completely off and had to be surgically reattached). My husband is often bitten by his parent's yorkie. But due to their size, I worry about them less, as I am unlikely to be killed by one. A rottie with a yorkie temperament (with a clueless owner) - now that I would be scared of.

So I stand by my theory that it's a combination of breed and owner that can be dangerous.
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by amber » 19 Mar 2008, 19:01

Yes i agree that different breeds have different traits, and need guidance, kindness and good possitive training, etc.
But i personally think that these breeds that are being mentioned, in the right hands, stand as good a chance as any other breed of being good sound pets.
It is up to each individual owner to realise a dogs temperament, and to be responsible.
A dog does'nt ask to be born, but since it is it deserves respect, and understanding, and good training.

My only qualm here is that there is a lot of Staffy/s, etc, in rescue because they are being tarred by the same brush as Staffie/s etc, being brought up to fight, and be aggressive, for sport.
In threads like these i think it is so important to give out the right messages, we are all responsible for that.
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by Mightdoodle » 19 Mar 2008, 19:27

Unfortunately there is a really large percentage of irresponsible pet owners out there. Either deliberately, or through naivety, it's easy for things to go horribly wrong.

And I'd rather someone who's really going to mess up not have a large, powerful breed on their hands.

I'd be interested to know if lots of staffies are in rescue homes because people are scared to adopt them, or is it because often people are getting staffies as a status symbol, and are not good dog owners. Is it cause or effect?

I'm still in two minds about being being cautious around dogs. Some people seem to be offended if children/other dog owners are cautious about their dog. I'd rather someone was cautious about a strange dog (especially Bailey, she's particularly strange lol) than be overly confident and get themselves bitten.

At our dog obedience class we were taught the correct way to approach a dog and introduce yourself and it's NOT the typical dog lover "Hellllloooooooo!!!!" with eye contact and giving lots of fusses. You shouldn't give eye contact apparently, you shouldn't put your hand over the dog, but let it sniff the back of your hand, and they taught us how to respond if a dangerous dog is running towards us and attacks us. It was really interesting.
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by JanieM » 19 Mar 2008, 20:50

I think everyone seems agreed then that it's the owners rather than the dogs and that any dog in the right hands can be brought up to be well mannered and cuddly no matter the breed?

I do believe this to be true, unless of course there is some genetic problem with the dog that effects it's mental health.
But I have to be honest and say that if I see a bull type dog or a dobi or rotti (especially) where I'm walking (with or without Brian) I will probably always
be on my guard and try to avoid it unless I can see for sure that the owners are in COMPLETE control.

I can honestly say that when I read or hear about these awful instances of dogs attacking children and injuring/ killing them, my first reaction is always that it's the owners fault. My fear of them doesn't come from here really, it's more their build and the way they look (yes I know that's very predjudiced :) ) and there orginal breed purpose that makes me nervous.

Having said that when I used to volunteer walking the dogs at the local animal shelter my absolutely favourite inmate was a huge dobi cross who was just a fabulous girl and very loving (although she hated other dogs), I would have taken her home in an instant if she wouldn't have eaten my cat. Also never met one nasty staffy there either and there were tonns of them.

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by Terrigar » 20 Mar 2008, 11:16

My Vet told me that the most common breed in the recorded instances of people being bitten: is the lovable old Labrador! Who'd a thunk it.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think that someone's ethnicity; Traveler, Black, White or green or anything else makes them a bad owner.
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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by amber » 20 Mar 2008, 15:19

Quote MightDoodle
I'd be interested to know if lots of staffies are in rescue homes because people are scared to adopt them, or is it because often people are getting staffies as a status symbol, and are not good dog owners. Is it cause or effect? End Quote

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Re: which breeds worry you?

Post by dustysmum » 20 Mar 2008, 15:38

good thread if just to keep awareness that all dogs can bite when in the wrong situation and its the handler who needs to be responsible enough to understand that ,its no use pretending that they are all cuddly and fluffy they are animals that have the tools to protect themselves and its the owner who needs to minimalise the risk .
saying that the only dogs that have ever bitten me have been two jack russells (at different times )so they arent at the top of my favourite list, sorry.
staffies are also some of the daftest loving dogs ive met but mainly quite stupid :D
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