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Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 13:33
by Niandsa
I have taken the plunge and ordered 2 weeks of food from Nurturing by Nature. Their website advises to combine a reduced amount of raw in the morning with their normal kibble in the evening over 10 days until they are fully on raw.

But there is no specific guide for puppies.... Rosie is 15 weeks so I don't want her to lose any weight during the transition. Do I give her more raw or more kibble? And their website does not mention how much to feed a puppy. I have based my calculations on 6% of her body weight each day (taken from another raw food website). They also don't sell anything specifically for puppies so I am assuming that the minced chicken incl. bone is a good start. :)

I intend to give Poppy 2% of her body weight and introduce it much quicker as she has had raw occasionally in the past and was fine on it. :D

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 14:07
by Roodlepippin
That sounds more or less exactly what I did - just bought a load from NbN, and when Woody was about the same age as Rosie.

I did intend to do the "slowly slowly" approach but since Woody was never that interested in kibble, and practically danced around the kitchen in ecstasy when I gave him raw, we did the switch in about 24 hours and have never looked back.

He didn't have any nasty side effects - but then he had terrible wind and sloppy poo on the kibble so I probably wouldn't have noticed if he'd had an upset stomach from such a rapid switch. I don't think he did tho.

Good luck, hope it goes down well!

Edited to add: I'm not sure about food quantity vs the percentage of body weight thing - I'm not sure exactly what Woody weighs (he's very tall but also very lean). But 6% of body weight sounds quite low to me - and 2% for Poppy sounds even lower. Is that what their website recommends? Woody would eat 1kg a day given the opportunity and I don't think it would be overfeeding him. I'm just too tight to let him :lol: , so he has to fill up on scraps / kibble. Maybe he's got hollow legs... or worms. :shock: (off to check the worming schedule...!)

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 15:28
by Bid
The amount of food a puppy can be fed when entirely on raw is up to 10%, which will obviously go down as the puppy gets older. With Rosie being young I would have tought she would be near to the higher amount, but you can only really tell by feel and look as they are all different, and have different energy levels.

NbyN chicken is a good starter, but do be aware that it contains more than the recommended amount of bone (10% is ideal) so once you have got them started you will have to start feeding other bone-free meat to balance it out over time. For example, I feed Manifold Valley meat, and they have published a list of approximate bone contents. Their minced chicken carcasse is 50% bone,so I know that after feeding that I have to give something like tripe or beef minces for a couple of days as they have no bone.

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 17:05
by Jay128
Poppy has been fed fully raw for just over a week and it's the best thing I ever did. She to dances around when she sees her pot come out of the fridge. :D

It's wonderful to see her so happy compared to when she was on the other stuff. She didn't have kibble but the James Wellbeloved wet trays but she is still much happier now. :D

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 22:23
by Niandsa
Thanks all - I think that I will start Rosie on 8% of her weight and Poppy 3%. Is it the same as kibble - do their poos get runny if you over feed? Rosie is growing rapidly so I certainly don't want to underfeed her. :)

Bid, is there anyway to tell how much bone is contained in a food by it's analytical constituents? For example, do the fibre and crude ash percentages indicate a certain bone content? I have to admit that I assumed that the products from Nurturing by Nature were balanced in terms of meat, bone and offal. I will have a look at Manifold as there is a local supplier who will deliver to me. :) In the meantime I can get meat mince from the supermarket to supplement their diets.

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 10 Feb 2014, 22:36
by Bid
THis is what Nurturing by Nature say about theirs ...

The bone content of our chicken minces are higher than the recommended RMB/BARF diet (Billingshurst/Longsdale) ideal content of 10% but this is a hard figure to achieve with the minces unless we were to mince the whole bird. The ossification of bone occurs with age and a chicken's bones reach full ossification at about 12 months. The chicken we use for the minced products are 7/9 weeks of age so the bones are not fully hardened as they would be in an adult. (This is a good thing for the bone percentage as a high amount of the carcass used is still cartilage) Our minces are not sold as complete diets, they are an ingredient towards achieving this by creating a product that may not be ideal for everyday/everyfeed but perfect to be used in conjunction with other raw ingredients. We provide a range of different meat products

And this is the MVM estimates ....

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Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 11 Feb 2014, 11:38
by Niandsa
That's really helpful Bid. Thank you! :D

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 14 Feb 2014, 11:29
by Niandsa
I decided to stop kibble completely one day and start raw the following. They have both been fine with just one slightly squishy poo! :lol: I was concerned about them having raw and kibble in the same day and going 'cold turkey' :lol: has worked well for us!

Re: Transition to raw from kibble

Posted: 14 Feb 2014, 12:11
by frosty
Great going....well done 8)

just use the 8-10% feeding rule as a base and adjust accordingly by observing your dog. Dogs, like humans, are all different and what is necessary for one pup, maybe different for another due to size, exercise, metabolic rate etc etc. But as Bid rightly said the older they get the less you should feed :)

One thing to be aware of is raw fed dogs "tend" to grow at a slower rate than kibble fed dogs, so dont be worried about it :D