Red ears

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nashav
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Red ears

Post by nashav » 11 Jan 2009, 08:36

Hi, i know doodles ears need to be plucked and paige is due to go to the groomers this week to have hers done.

However at the moment she is shaking her head A LOT, her ears are red inside (prob due to the amount of shaking) and HOT. I clean them out every few days with special cleanser from the vets, do not get much muck out of them.

when her ears are hot i flap them over to let air get to them and rub them, this seems to help but i cant do this all the time.

She has been to the vets previously with this problem of itchy ears as i was convinced that she had got a seed or something in the ear which she didn't. She just had a build up of muck as i hadn't been cleaning deep enough and inflamation, at that point the vet said that if the cleaning etc didnt improve then she could be put under anesthetic and her ears syringed out. I decided not to go down that route.

I also had a thought that it could be the heating in the house that is making her ears hot and itchy but she shakes her head when the heating is not on.

I was wondering if anybody had any advice on what i can do to help paige as it must be stressful for her. I cant seem to get her booked into a groomers any earlier than thursday and i tried a few.

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Re: Red ears

Post by linny » 11 Jan 2009, 13:22

Take it the vet has ruled out ear mites :?: ...especially relevant if you also have a cat at home?

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Re: Red ears

Post by katesloft » 11 Jan 2009, 13:45

Hi there - having just had a stressful couple of months with Fizz's ears, I would suggest another trip to the vets as Fizz's ear infection really took hold and we now have the enormous vet bills to prove it. This is exactly what Fizz was doing - shaking and her ear was hot. (see thread about her ear infection).

My vet seems to think that Fizz is just prone to these things unfortunately but now that we have the infection cleared (and this took 2 months) we have a powder that is squirted into her ears once a week to try to prevent further infections. So far so good although it is early days.

Does Paige swim? as that can cause it.

Good luck with her
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amber
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Re: Red ears

Post by amber » 11 Jan 2009, 17:40

Sorry to say it does sound like an infection. The vet will be able to see deep down into her ear and if he suggests a syringe then it is probably best to go that way. Once it starts building up it easily takes a hold, it can happen to the best of us. It will be painful and annoying for her so i would definitely take her Monday.

Ears can be a problem so it is best to keep on top of the hygene right from the start by getting a puppy used to having it's ears touched and cleaned.
Hair isn't the only problem, hot moist areas attract mites and germs;
No one should have to wait to see a groomer it can be done easily and painlessly with finger and thumb and just gently pull at the hair inside the ear. This shouldn't be necessary on the weeks after taking your puppy home but you still need to simulate the actions to get them used to it being done as part of a socialisation programme. Always give positive cues and little treats. After the plucking, clean the inside ear with clean aural, or something the vets' recommend from over their counter. Use a make-up remover pad to wipe away the wax, but never a cotton bud. You could always keep outer ear hair length trimmed short too, so that the air can circulate, this can help a lot

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Re: Red ears

Post by nashav » 11 Jan 2009, 21:43

Thanks for all your advice, it looks like its a trip to the vets.

I am a bit annoyed at myself for maybe not doing something sooner. Paige was spayed about 5 weeks ago and if she was showing these symptoms then her ears could have been investigated while she was already GA.

I am reasonably confident that it is not ear mites, i studyed canine parasites including mites for a year so i would like to think i would have spotted these :evil: creatures. They were ruled out on my last visit, although i am sure the vet will check.

paige does swim but hasnt for awhile, more like paddling at the moe.

Amber, how often should you pluck the hair out of ears? should you wait for all the hair to grow back or pluck them out as soon as grown back?

I feel bad that i cant pluck then hair yet, although i will work on it with your advice. I got Paige at an esimated 12 weeks old as a rescue case. Her ears were in bad condition (among other things), covered in thick crusty scabs due to the high infestation of ear mites ( cant remember what mite it was). It was a painful experience for her and seems to remember that it was me that had to deal with it, i had to do alot of work over puppyhood just to be able to touch/groom her ears let allow pluck them.
Then when i tried to pluck them i got head butted and a bleeding nose for my troubles although on reflection i think it was more an accident.

Cleaning her ears is not a problem, i use cotton wool which has the cleaner on it, this is the method the vet showed me and she enjoys it. Really that should ring some alarm bells as it is obviously relieving the itching/irritating.

thanks again for advice, we are booked for a trip to the vets.
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Re: Red ears

Post by amber » 11 Jan 2009, 22:10

Hi Nashav
You can't really blame yourself for this. The problems with her ears likely stem from the problems she had as a pup. It is a shame that they didnt have a look whilst under GA. But never mind. The vet may prescibe antibiotics, or a drop depending on what stage the mite/or stage the infection is at. It can take weeks to sort out, this is why a syringe may be of more benefit.
As said prevention is so much better than cure, but different circumstances affect this.

When her problem is sorted out and not painfull for her anymore she may begin then to trust you around her ears. She asscociates ears with pain though at the moment, but with patience and time it could become workable. Get her better first and then make sure you look after the ears with general plucking and cleaning on a weekly basis.

First though you need to make her more comfortable with your actions around her ears. Start by just tickling her ears for a few days when she is sleepy, and then leave it at that and on a good note. Then move onto gently stroking just slightly inside the ear flap. Move on a few days later to very gentle plucking (pulling very gently as though you are petting her). It doesnt have to be loads at a time but if you set aside 10 mins of an evening for this attention and perhaps a treat i think you will get there.

Cleaning will be the last stage and make sure the fluid used is at room temperature or left for 10 mins in some warm water.
When she is better i would deep clean with fluid by a squirt down the ear canal, and then massaging the ear to clean, and then wipe away. I have some cleaner which is excellent, and i will add it on here later for you.

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Re: Red ears

Post by amber » 12 Jan 2009, 01:40

Followed on from last post the ear cleaner i use is called Epi Otic.

nashav
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Re: Red ears

Post by nashav » 12 Jan 2009, 07:55

thanks Amber, that is the same cleaner i use :D
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Re: Red ears

Post by lorenza » 12 Jan 2009, 12:08

Hi.
I'm sorry you are having problems with Paige's ears, i had the same trouble with Lottie's although i pluck them, she grows hair right the way down in her ear canal where you can't see them or get to them.
She did have to have them flushed and plucked by the vet,touch wood at the moment they have settled down,but it did take a long time :(

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Re: Red ears

Post by murphysmum » 16 Jan 2009, 15:54

I use thornit for mild ear irritations and its fantastic. :D
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Re: Red ears

Post by nashav » 16 Jan 2009, 19:36

Paige has been to the vets, her ears were so inflamed that she couldnt see all the way down or help me pluck them as it would be V painful. I have got some Canaural to use for the next 7days and then back to the vets. Hopfully that should sort her out or the next step is going under GA which i really dont want.

I have only been using the Canaural for 3 days and i have already noticed an improvment in the head shaking so fingers crossed.

Thanks for the comment on thornit, i have heard of it to be used when plucking ears but cant hurt to have some in the cupboard. :)

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Re: Red ears

Post by amber » 16 Jan 2009, 22:58

Good luck with the canaural nashav.

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Re: Red ears

Post by murphysmum » 19 Jan 2009, 11:27

nashav wrote:Paige has been to the vets, her ears were so inflamed that she couldnt see all the way down or help me pluck them as it would be V painful. I have got some Canaural to use for the next 7days and then back to the vets. Hopfully that should sort her out or the next step is going under GA which i really dont want.

I have only been using the Canaural for 3 days and i have already noticed an improvment in the head shaking so fingers crossed.

Thanks for the comment on thornit, i have heard of it to be used when plucking ears but cant hurt to have some in the cupboard. :)

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My bearded collie suffered terrible with ear problems, it was always smelly and he cost me a fortune at the vet. I changed his food to an additive free one and used thornit in his ears and he has not had a problem since. It's really great stuff. :D
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