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Has Has your dog been diagnosed with hip or elbow dysplasia?

Yes
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Does your dog have hip or elbow dysplasia

Post by Bid » 18 Mar 2010, 22:02

It seems to me that there are more and more dogs on here being diagnosed with hip and elbow dysplasia. I know there are degrees of problems, and all sorts of stats that could be gathered, but just for starters I would be interested in a basic poll of the numbers of dogs with these problems.
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Re: Does your dog have hip or elbow dysplasia

Post by Linda&Coco » 18 Mar 2010, 23:46

No, Coco is in season at the moment,will be spayed approx three months time.Should I have her tested when spayed there are no signs at the moment.
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Post by tynkerbelluk » 19 Mar 2010, 00:24

I have just voted but wondered if it should be for dogs over a year old maybe. With so many owners like myself with puppies voting before we know if this will be an issue for us, will this not give an unbalanced ratio :?: Do young puppies present with this problem as well :?:
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Post by linny » 19 Mar 2010, 00:35

tynkerbelluk wrote:I have just voted but wondered if it should be for dogs over a year old maybe. With so many owners like myself with puppies voting before we know if this will be an issue for us, will this not give an unbalanced ratio :?: Do young puppies present with this problem as well :?:
I noticed an abnormal gait around nine months so decided to have Ambrose's hips x rayed when I had him castrated at 14 months.....my suspicions were confirmed, he has HD. :(

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Post by tynkerbelluk » 19 Mar 2010, 00:44

linny wrote:
tynkerbelluk wrote:I have just voted but wondered if it should be for dogs over a year old maybe. With so many owners like myself with puppies voting before we know if this will be an issue for us, will this not give an unbalanced ratio :?: Do young puppies present with this problem as well :?:
I noticed an abnormal gait around nine months so decided to have Ambrose's hips x rayed when I had him castrated at 14 months.....my suspicions were confirmed, he has HD. :(
I def need to do some more swatting up on this condition so that I can be more aware of anything in this area. Fingers crossed I won't need it.
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Post by KateW » 19 Mar 2010, 02:16

tynkerbelluk wrote: Do young puppies present with this problem as well :?:
Yes, they can do. It is very difficult though as some puppies who are free of hd will do a wiggly walk/bunny hop and it is so easy to become paranoid, just like us googling some illness or medical students becoming convinced that they have one terrible disease after another.Bid has a good video clip of Daisy's gait......

Obviously buying a puppy from properly health tested stock is important but so are environmental factors such as rate of growth, staying lean and appropriate exercise. I do have some good links on this which I will try to find tomorrow (am still wading through back up files after hard drive disaster).

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Post by Bid » 19 Mar 2010, 10:29

Hopefully I have set up the poll so you can change your reply if your pup is unfortunate enough to have a problem. I have also set it up so that you can reply yes and no if you have 2 dogs - one with and one without, but that is as sophisticated as I can make it :roll: :lol: . It's only going to give a rough idea anyway :D THe figures look alarming atm - hopefully it will even out :(
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Post by MrsAdmin » 19 Mar 2010, 11:31

Hmmm Tricky :? I have two dogs both, thankfully, without HD, but I can only vote for one No option :cry:

If you are getting your dog spayed/neutered then it is a good idea to get an X-ray check on their hips when they are out for the count. I did for both Jack and Becky and the vet said they were both 'fine'.

However, I now wish I had done the proper hip scoring as the x-rays get sent away to a specialist so you get a more accurate picture than a non-specialist vet, and there have been some iffy X-rays shown on here in the past that were cleared by vets as 'Fine' :?

I'm not sure about the process but Carole G is the expert if you pm her or perhaps one of the other breeders could post the details on here please.
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Post by Adam Lindley » 19 Mar 2010, 11:51

The hip score gives a number to compare with the breed mean value, and details of how the hips measure up in key areas. From a breeders perspective it is an insurance policy as well as an indication of whether a dog is good to breed from.

It is a geometry exercise and doesn't necessarily mean that a dog with a good hip score will not suffer joint pain, or a dog with a poor score will be lame by the age of 2.

It would be interesting to see the percentage of dogs with HD that have parents with good hip scores.

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Post by tynkerbelluk » 19 Mar 2010, 12:02

MrsAdmin wrote:Hmmm Tricky :? I have two dogs both, thankfully, without HD, but I can only vote for one No option :cry:

If you are getting your dog spayed/neutered then it is a good idea to get an X-ray check on their hips when they are out for the count. I did for both Jack and Becky and the vet said they were both 'fine'.

However, I now wish I had done the proper hip scoring as the x-rays get sent away to a specialist so you get a more accurate picture than a non-specialist vet, and there have been some iffy X-rays shown on here in the past that were cleared by vets as 'Fine' :?
I had already decided to get Archie x-rayed when he is 'done' but would this have any adverse effect with regard to insurance in the future (i.e if in possession of the facts, even though not a pre-existing condition). I am assuming that to do these x-rays would be non claimable anyway as not essential if no symtoms are present :?:

Does anybody have any experience of doing the test as a precaution and the resulting actions of their insurance companies should the results be requiring treatment :?:
Also what is the best age to have the spaying/neutering and x-rays done :?:

please forgive me for throwing up some awkward questions but I just want to do the best I can for Archie.


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Re: Does your dog have hip or elbow dysplasia

Post by GUNNER » 19 Mar 2010, 12:05

Here's the procedure from the BVA website:

Getting a dog’s hips scored
Owners should contact their veterinary surgeon and arrange an appointment for
their dog to be radiographed (X-rayed). The radiographs must be taken under
anaesthesia or heavy sedation which means that the dog may have to be left for
a short time at the veterinary practice. Hip radiographs can be taken at the same
time as those for the BVA/KC Elbow Dysplasia Scheme. When taking the dog for
its radiographs owners should remember the following.
●● The dog must be at least one year old, but there is no upper age limit.
●● From January 1st 2010 the dog must be permanently and uniquely identified by
way of a microchip or tattoo.
●● The dog’s KC registration certificate and any related transfer certificates must
be available so that the appropriate details can be printed on the radiographs.
●● Microchip/tattoo numbers will also be printed on the radiographs.
●● The owner will be asked to sign the declaration (first part) of the certificate, to
verify the details are correct and grant permission for the use of the results.
Once the radiographs have been taken, the veterinary surgeon must fill out the
appropriate section of the certificate and submit both the radiographs and the
certificate and the current fee to the BVA.
The results and the radiographs are normally returned to the veterinary surgeon
within three weeks with a certificate for the owner and a copy for the veterinary
surgeon. Once a score has been given for a dog, the radiograph cannot be
resubmitted; however, owners have the right to an appeal, which takes the form
of a re-appraisal of the original radiographs. A letter of appeal must be made
within 45 days of the date of the original certificate. The whole process from
initial appointment to receiving the scores is handled through the submitting
veterinary surgeon.
Please note that Permanent Identification is
a requirement from January 2010.

More info here: http://www.bva.co.uk/canine_health_sche ... cheme.aspx and here http://www.bva.co.uk/public/documents/Hip_Dysplasia.pdf

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Re: Does your dog have hip or elbow dysplasia

Post by Adam Lindley » 19 Mar 2010, 12:18

As is said above, a dog has to be over 12 months old to have its hips scored, as for the best age for desexing, the jury is out. :?

Should you chose to get your dog done before it is 12 months old, the vet can still take an x-ray and make an assessment, but it is like taking x-rays to a GP rather than a specialist.

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Post by KateW » 19 Mar 2010, 12:33

I was hoping that Gunner would reply; one other thing I think she may be able to help with is the fact that some vets are still telling people that the BVA will only score KC registered breeds :roll: This is nonsense; there is a section (F) on the results published in November 2009 which shows the results for breeds not recognised http://www.bva.co.uk/public/documents/B ... 010(1).pdf

I seem to remember that Gunner registered her doodles on the Activity Register of the KC in order for them to have identification documents :?: As all dogs must be identifiable by microchip since January of this year in order to be assessed I am not sure what the current procedure is......

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Post by Adam Lindley » 19 Mar 2010, 12:53

408 Labradoodles tested, thats quite a few!

No goldendoodles on the list. :( Our guys were done over here, but interesting for UK buyers of F1b or higher generation of goldendoodles. Must be less than 10 dogs scored...

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Post by KateW » 19 Mar 2010, 12:55

tynkerbelluk wrote:
I had already decided to get Archie x-rayed when he is 'done' but would this have any adverse effect with regard to insurance in the future (i.e if in possession of the facts, even though not a pre-existing condition). I am assuming that to do these x-rays would be non claimable anyway as not essential if no symtoms are present :?:

Does anybody have any experience of doing the test as a precaution and the resulting actions of their insurance companies should the results be requiring treatment :?:
Also what is the best age to have the spaying/neutering and x-rays done :?:

please forgive me for throwing up some awkward questions but I just want to do the best I can for Archie.


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You would not be able to claim the costs of the x- rays if there were no symptoms indicating that they should be taken, Sharron. If treatment was necessary, I suppose you would then be able to claim back the costs. The only insurance problem you would then have as far as I can see is that you would not be able to change insurance companies as there would be a pre-existing condition.....But somebody else with experience of this may have a different view.

As for the neutering question, there are many different thoughts on this :) Personally, unless a dog is exhibiting sexual behaviour, ie looking for bitches all the time, excessive humping,etc, I think it is best to wait until the dog has reached maturity.In the case of a bitch, I have usually spayed three months after the first season except in the case of our OES who had an early season and was done after her second on the advice of our vet....

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