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Post by Katie Rourke » 28 Feb 2011, 09:22

I'm a member of a Grooming Forum and a common thread keeps coming up - why do Labradoodle owners leave it so late before they bring their dog in for grooming?

Typically we don't get to see these dogs until they are between 9 and 11 months and nearly ALWAYS the owner has been told by the Breeder that the dog doesn't need grooming before that time.

WRONG!

Fleece coated doodles, cockerpoos, bishonpoos, cavoodles, goldendoodles etc ALL need to be treated like poodles if their first visit isn't going to result in either a massively uncomfortable experience or a complete shavedown.

Matts are PAINFUL. They drag and tear at the skin.

Its like having your pubes caught in a zip.

Removing mats with matt splitters, combs and brushes is no longer an option. Under the Animal Welfare Act a groomer can be prosecuted for this procedure as it is deemed to be causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.

Please, get your puppy into the groomers as soon as you get it. Let the groomer show the puppy round the parlour on the first visit - maybe a bath only that trip. The important thing is that the pup is trained from the outset to stand quietly on the table and not be frightened of clippers, grinders, hairdryers and the like.

Fleece coated dogs need professional attention AT LEAST every six weeks - that's if you're doing your job at home and COMBING your dog weekly (not brushing over the top).

Average prices (Scotland to Cornwall) vary with the size of the dog - but you should expect to pay:

Cockerpoo Size Regular Maintenance £35ish, 1st groom £40ish, Rescue Coat from £50ish.

Lab sized Fleece Coated Dog: Regular Maint. From £40ish, 1st Groom from £48ish, Rescue matted coat from £65ish

Large Standard Size (Labradonkey ;-) ) Regular Maint. From £50, 1st Groom from £58ish, Rescue Matted Coat from £70ish

Rescue Matted Coat includes about 20 mins of dematting (all anyone can expect from the groomer) or a shave-down.

Any breeder who tells you that you don't need to groom your dog is deceiving you and you should walk away. You either like grooming or like vacuuming.

The non shedding, doesn't need grooming dog DOES NOT EXIST!

Anyone who is unclear about what matts are should look at the photos here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Centre-St ... tos&ref=ts

Please feel free to cross-post anywhere.

I love my doodles and I hate to see them getting bad press...
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Post by Katie Rourke » 28 Feb 2011, 10:02

Sorry if this post comes across as a bit of a rant, but in the last week alone I've done five shave-downs and in 4 out of the 5 cases it was pure ignorance on behalf of the owners.

The fifth case (the Bischon Shavedown in the photos) was a repeat offender.

I last saw their dog in JULY 2010. This is a breed that needs minimum 6 weekly appointments - most of my bishons are 5 weeks or less.

To say the dog was matted to hell was an understatement. And his excuse? "I don't like him white and fluffy" :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Why buy a Bishon then? and "you cost too much for us to regularly maintain him." The bloke (and the poor little dog) reeked of stale fags - his weekly habit probably cost twice as much as a 6 weekly haircut.... :roll:

They were given the dematting lecture 7 months ago, so they knew what agony their dog was in by the time they brought it in on Saturday. I just want to weep when I see dogs in that condition.

Here's a link to one of the "why do labradoodle owners leave it so late" threads with some excellent pictorial examples of what I've been talking about: http://www.watt-a-dog.co.uk/ssm/index.p ... ;topicseen

Sorry - Rant Over!
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Post by Anne Wozniak » 28 Feb 2011, 10:33

thanks for this Katie,

Wilson is an F1b and his coat is pure "sheep" !

I brush & comb him regularily but he's still off to the groomers between 6-8 weeks

he only had a couple of matts once and I felt very guilty.... so brushes & combs come out more often now !

Thanks for bringing this to our notice

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Post by Suzi » 28 Feb 2011, 10:38

What about scruffy labradoodles like my Roxie? I comb her once she's dry after most walks (she likes splashing through puddles and streams) - so nearly every day. I also carefully trim her nails (have done this twice since we've had her) and trim the hair around her feet like our puppy trainer told us to do. Is this enough for her type of coat? I also check her ears and she doesn't seem to have any problems with hair there.
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Post by Katie Rourke » 28 Feb 2011, 10:43

She's a glorious looking doodle Suzi.

I'd say you've got it well under control. The F1 Scruffy coat is very easy to look after isn't it?

You could look at purchasing a cordless dremel for doing her nails as it gives a lovely rounded finish, but apart from that I'd say you're doing a smashing job. :D
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Post by Liz! » 28 Feb 2011, 11:02

I'm glad to say we were told to brush! In fact one of the first things I did was feed treats while just putting the brush on her side, as she was scared of it. It took quite a while to be able to actually brush, although I have to say, although she was a fleece pup she didn't really didn't need a lot. We took her in the experience the parlour at 4 months, had her first cut at 5 months.

However, when her adult coat started coming in at 7 months it became a nightmare, I was spending an hour minimum a day going through her coat and finding, and snipping through matts.

We had her cut right back to a more poodle look at 10 months.

Now her coat is strange - she is loose curly mostly but she has a wavy band along her back which feels more like wool and is a different colour. She is 14 months old so I can't work out if it is the last vestiges of puppy fur or not.

This picture shows it quite well!

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Forgot to say, she's going in in April for her next cut, and I spend a hour every day combing and brushing and cutting upwards through matts at the minute, they have just reappeared. But i can comb right down to the skin everywhere!
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Post by Katie Rourke » 28 Feb 2011, 11:13

Well done Liz - that's a difficult coat to keep knot free.

Detangling sprays can help - Davis Fluff Out is good, DezynaDog AmaZing Trix is also very good.

The best thing for this coat is the Les Poochs brush from the Redcape website. Either Green or Purple should be right for that sort of coat. Beware imitations, they're available from other professional groomers sites but they don't do the job nearly as well.

Les Pooches brushes are like Mikki Slicker brushes in the same way that a Skoda is like a Bentley :wink:

When you consider they half (at least) the grooming time required, they are worth every penny of the nearly £40 they cost to buy...
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Post by Rosikus » 28 Feb 2011, 11:15

We brush at least twice a week, more if they look like they need it.

Just have to say I love your american cocker photos. :) We used to have an american cocker that came into the salon not nearly often enough, and had never been brushed or had his coat taken care of at all so we had to clip a lot and leave the poor boy looking a bit odd EVERY time. And the owners never learnt! And they always missed appointments or showed up late too. Used to dread seeing him on the list lol, he was always hard work. :lol:

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Post by Katie Rourke » 28 Feb 2011, 11:18

Thanks!

The American Cockers are Elton John's dogs - I've been doing all his dogs for 7 years now. We do an amazing cheat so that the housekeepers can keep them looking elegant in between grooms! Its a hideous coat if its not looked after isn't it?
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Post by Liz! » 28 Feb 2011, 11:20

We have a red matt breaker but she runs away when I get it out, so I was put off getting the green one. I'll have a look at the dezynadog stuff though.

I use a Chris Christensen wooden pin brush and it's lovely, goes through her coat very easily without pulling, and when it gets to a matt it make a small noise, so I stop and cut through!

Eiot to say, she has to look good as she is an alert dog!

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Post by MrsAdmin » 28 Feb 2011, 11:22

Katie, are there decent clippers that you could recommend for beginners please?

I got so fed up with groomers round here, who either flatly refuse to touch a poodle type coat, don't do big dogs, completely scalp Beccles because it's easier than giving her a proper cut (and yes, I do comb and trim the matts out before she goes) or overbook and you see your dog get a five minute trim as you turn up because 'they haven't had time' despite having left her there for three hours that morning. :twisted:

Now I have resorted to giving her a regular scissor cut all over myself. She won't win any dog shows but hey, she's a pet who loves mud and running after her ball so we give those a miss anyway. :lol:

I did wonder if she would be better with a proper clip but have felt too timid to try and haven't a clue what is worth buying. I gather cheap clippers are a waste of money.
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Post by tynkerbelluk » 28 Feb 2011, 11:49

Thanks for this post Katie.
I'm sure there are many people on these forums who are either new dog owners or just inexperienced and unaware how to care for their dogs properly. I certainly do not excuse those selfish owners who just neglect to look after the animals they own. :evil:
Your advice is really helpful to those who are unsure how often to get certain coats attended to in order to avoid getting to the stage like those photos :shock: :shock:

When I acquired Archie clipping was a whole new world for me. I always used to groom my Irish setters fringes, tail and ears myself. Archie is a really thick fleece coated doodle who I keep clipped fairly short regularly. I brush him about once a week and suprisingly he only gets the odd tiny matt :? It is so much easier to keep him clean, hosed and dried as he is a mud wallower :roll:

I like 'MrsAdmin' am particularly interested to know which clippers you would recommend for a beginner with a fleece coated doodle :?:
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Post by Gem » 28 Feb 2011, 12:16

Zooey's coat is very similar to Liz's Lola. We brush her everyday with a small slicker brush which normally keeps her matt free. Her coat has got incredibly long now, we have trimmed around her eyes and face but I think it is time to book her in to be groomed properly. I must admit I've put this off because I've managed to keep her matt free and I was really scared what she would look like coming back from the groomers.

However yesterday after our walk in the woods I was washing her off and I realised she has got awful matts all up her legs and on her tummy. She seems to have got these prickly little grass strands throughout her fur. They hook into my skin when I try to take them out and they have caused such a mess of her. I tried to get out as much as possible yesterday but in the end Zooey had enough so I left it. I'm tackling them again today, doing a little bit at a time, but they are almost impossible to get out and I'm scared Zooey is going to have to have a shave!! I can't believe I've kept her matt free and all my efforts have been ruined by this daft plant whatever it is!
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Post by Jennifer » 28 Feb 2011, 12:20

I think its awful that these people who come to you let their animals get in such a bad way, they must realise that they are being cruel?

Teddy is a scruffy so doesn't take much grooming but was wondering if you had any pictures of what is a normal length for nails, I have been cutting them myself but worry that they still might be a little long, I have been standing him on the hard floor and they do not touch the floor when he is standing?

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Post by Kathy P » 28 Feb 2011, 12:46

I just wanted to endorse what Katie is saying here.

I have 2 doodles - one an F1b and one who has a pure Lab coat. Both have been visiting the groomers since they were puppies: their first trip was part of their ongoing socialisation programme after they came to us (they were well socialised by the breeder before we got them).

My F1b had a difficult coat to manage until his adult coat was developed and even with regular grooming by me and 4-6 weekly expert grooming, he still got a few nasty matts as a youngster.

Both dogs now have 4-6 weekly grooming and they love their groomer. I'd say keep on top of things and you're never likely to need a shave down for your dog.

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