Stout back home after a day at the Royal Vetinary College

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Stout back home after a day at the Royal Vetinary College

Post by stout » 29 Jan 2014, 23:48

Hi,

Back home at 9pm after a long day.... Warning long posting......

Left home at 8am, got to the Royal Vetinary College early, filled out some forms and got seen on time at 10:15. A student vet and a full specialist vet both examined stout very thoroughly seperately and the student vet asked lots of questions.

The result of the examinations was that it could be Addisons or Inflammatory Bowel Disease.

Since endoscopy isn't a good idea with Addisons, they started by testing for Addisons (which takes a day or two to get the results) and did a detailed ultrasound after Stout was sedated.

We'd also talked about possible foods in the initial session and I'd said we'd prefer to have a wet food since all kibbles wed tried had set him off, and we'd rather avoid any soya and grains since we know he is sensitive to grains. Strangely their preferred dried food was purina HA which is mainly hydrolysed Soya and a bit of maize. They also suggested a couple of wet foods too.

They were very happy with his stomach lining which was back to normal thickness and showed no abnormalities. The ultrasound didn't spot anything else more sinister either.

So, the most likely diagnosis is currently looking like IBD, which means an exclusion diet for 4-6 weeks on one protein source, followed by the introduction of a different protein source to see if it sets him off. If it does, then back onto the original food again for 4-6 weeks before trying another protein source. Many people stop after finding a couple of protein sources that their dog gets on with, rather than risking setting them off again.

They tried him with a few foods while he was there too. He liked the Purina HA dried one but also liked 2 wet foods - both Hills (one fish, one venison). So, since we wanted to avoid kibble and he'd had fish before, we settled on Hills D/D venison and potato. We were sent home with 12 cans and then found out when we got home that our insurance covered prescription food - so should have got a couple more trays! Never mind - our normal vet also stocks the food, so not difficult to get hold of.

He's going to have his poo tested for parasites and bacteria, has been sent home with some broad spectrum antiparasitic drugs too so that tapeworm, lungworm, heartworm and just about everything else will be killed off too just in case they're lurking and disturbing things internally.

All in all, I was very impressed with the RVC, in terms of facilities, friendliness and knowledge. Stout licked the student while in for his tests, and a couple of students were also kept busy in giving Stout tummy rubs while we were talking. While he was almost certainly not happy to be away from us (they commented he had a good bark on him!) he also seemed happy around them.
Cheers,

Chris, Michelle & Stout

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Post by Doodle Dee » 30 Jan 2014, 08:12

you know I believe if you have faith on your vet reassurance is so much better

Good luck with the food and wishing stout all the best
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Post by Jay128 » 30 Jan 2014, 09:11

Sounds like they are on the ball and it's good to know he's being well looked after.
Good luck :D
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Post by Bid » 30 Jan 2014, 09:30

Glad the day went well. I must admit it seems an odd start to fill the gut of a dog suspected of having ibd full of worming chemicals - I would have thought they'd suggest worm check done first, to see if it was necessary since wormers can damage the lining of the gut and cause an upset stomach :? . A shame too that they recommend a prepared food rather than fresh for the single protein source.

Good news that they suspect ibd rather than the Addisons though :D
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Post by pixie's mum » 30 Jan 2014, 10:12

Nice one stouty
Glad nasty things have been ruled out.
Many years ago I had a Doberman with really bad digestive issues and after all the expensive veterinary foods we were advised to try (by a friend who was a vet so had no monetary interest) tinned original chappie (high fish content) and he never looked back. I know it's not the best food on the market but it is easily digestible. Poo's are smaller firm and less smelly and his coat improved and he never had any further health problems.
I have to admit to being a snob and only wanting the best for my dogs and usually pay a fortune out on them and I resisted chappie as I thought it looked cheap and nasty. How wrong I was !!!!
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Post by tynkerbelluk » 30 Jan 2014, 20:36

Goodness Stout you really are keeping your mum and dad busy lately. It is so good to hear that your poor tum has returned to a healthy state, hope they get you properly sorted soon. Rotten luck about that bandana but they are only trying to make sure that you don't have a repeat of that horrible pain. I bet all the attention you're getting goes some way to recompense :wink: :wink:
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Post by stout » 30 Jan 2014, 23:51

Bid wrote:Glad the day went well. I must admit it seems an odd start to fill the gut of a dog suspected of having ibd full of worming chemicals - I would have thought they'd suggest worm check done first, to see if it was necessary since wormers can damage the lining of the gut and cause an upset stomach :? . A shame too that they recommend a prepared food rather than fresh for the single protein source.

Good news that they suspect ibd rather than the Addisons though :D
They were not anti us feeding him 'homemade' venison and spud. I thought it would be a lot easier to find venison in Reading than it was, out of desperation I ended up getting some from m&s, Chris then managed to get some from the butcher, so Chris and I have gained a couple of packs of expensive venison for dinner! I spent 3 hours drying some chunks in the oven for treats, and I am going to have a cook up of some bits with squished spuds for his tea tomorrow :D

We were due to do his worming over the last couple of weeks, but hadn't done it as he was so poorly, I think that's why they gave him the worming stuff
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Post by Clairejen » 31 Jan 2014, 00:00

It is all sounding very encouraging. I wouldn't worry too much about the Addisons possibility, it seems something vets always suggest when they don't know the cause of problems. Do you have any deer farms in the area? They might be able to put you in touch with whoever does their butchering so you can get offcuts cheaply.
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Post by Jasper » 31 Jan 2014, 13:45

Great to hear Stout is on the mend and you're getting to the bottom of the problem. (pun intended :lol: )
Jasper was diagnosed with IBD last year, episodes are triggered by lamb, beef, dairy and rice! The result is a poorly tummy-achy dog whose stools resemble raw egg white. we feed him raw mainly chicken and duck (he's poodle fussy :roll: so doesn't like venison, rabbit turkey or pheasant!!!!!).
Jasper had an endoscopy at Langford (Bristol Uni. Vet School), who were brilliant and very helpful, but it did give him a dreadful tummy-ache for about 24 hours, to the point where he was beside himself and pacing. He was fine by morning though. I wasn't sure if Stout had had this procedure yet, so I thought I would warn you.

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Post by stout » 31 Jan 2014, 23:54

Stout had endoscopy on the Friday afternoon when it was at its worst. He was kept in ubtil Sunday midday so we can't really comment how he was in the 24 hours after the procedure.

I'm certainly not keen to repeat the procedure if it isn't necessary! Given they've told us the stomach lining is back to normal I think it's off the cards for now and lets hope we can keep it that way!

The blood test for allergies has been delayed due to the lab misplacing the sample for a few days..... hopefully know next Monday or Tuesday.
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