Stout had brief weird spell. Couldn't stand and unresponsive

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Stout had brief weird spell. Couldn't stand and unresponsive

Post by stout » 27 Dec 2015, 21:21

Hi,

Stout has just had a weird spell. About 15 mins ago he was asleep then rolled over and tried to stand. His back legs were at an odd angle, not a natural sit at all, as if he was standing and then someone pushed him backwards and his legs gave way is the best way I can describe. Then he threw up but only a very small amount. Then he was unresponsive to us with no reaction to his name or a hand waved in front of his eyes. He couldn't stand. After 20 secs or so he started to respond and after another 10 secs or so he stood. Initially he spat out a carrot given as a treat. Then another minute or so he eat it. After a small amount of wagging he has now settled down again.

I don't think he has eaten anything odd since we have been with him all day. He has food allergies so has not been given any xmas tidbits.

Any ideas?
Cheers,

Chris, Michelle & Stout

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Re: Stout had brief weird spell. Couldn't stand and unrespon

Post by linny » 27 Dec 2015, 22:29

Sorry to hear about Stout :( ....from what you have described I wonder if this could be a Petit Mal seizure.
Really don't want to cause you concern as it's just a thought.
My BT Kerris suffered from Petit Mal seizures in her later years and her behavior during an attack was very similar.
Might be worth giving your vet a ring tomorrow to see what he or she thinks.

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Post by stout » 27 Dec 2015, 22:41

Hi Linny, that's what we thought it might be. He seems to be back to his normal self now. We are currently away from home. We called his normal vet to see what they said. We are going to take him tomorrow morning, the vets know him, so we would prefer to take him there. Obviously if it happens again we will have to track down a vet here.

It was very scary
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Post by Pollydoodle » 27 Dec 2015, 23:31

Bless him, hope that it is just one of those weird unexplained things that occur and never to return.
Like u say scary nonetheless. My vet said no point bringing dog in,after lots of questions, esp as it was first time, though was advised to keep a close eye in days afterward. Touch wood etc , years later never had repeat

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Post by kobi&jazz » 31 Dec 2015, 15:32

Any news on Stout? Hope everything is ok :)

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Post by We5Kings » 31 Dec 2015, 16:51

I have been thinking about Stout too. Hope he's full of beans again

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Post by linny » 31 Dec 2015, 19:13

Me too.....how is Stouty pants or honey monster as I prefer to call him???????

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Post by stout » 01 Jan 2016, 13:38

Hi everyone, sorry was not able to post an update. We took Stout to the vet on 28th. He was a lot perkier, he saw his favourite vet in the whole wide world who got licked to death :roll: she gave him a good check over and took some blood, nothing showed up in those that she was worried about. They also sent some blood off, the results came back yesterday and didn't show anything up. They said it is either epilepsy or possibly a heart issue. So gave us some pointers to look out for if it happens again. He seems to be back to normal now, he was just having fun digging a hole in the lawn :roll: .

The vet did say his weight was a bit low, he has been having a grumbly tum after marrow bones which he used to have once a week and we hadn't increased his food to compensate. Stout always enjoys getting extra food!
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Post by Bid » 01 Jan 2016, 14:14

Glad he's OK, and good news that he gets extra food. :lol: (I must get mine weighed as they seem to have been dieting for quite a long time!)
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Post by Olly's Mum » 23 Mar 2016, 18:14

Have you considered Addisons Disease? It is extremely common in standard poodles. My boy is having tests done at the moment. He was bred by people more interested in money, than the health of the masses of puppies, which have been bred and continue to breed:


Registered Standard Poodles with Addison's Disease (Hypoadrenocorticism) mode of inheritance: recessive Addison's disease (Hypoadrenocorticism)
Addison's Disease is a disease of the adrenal glands, usually caused by the immune mediated destruction of the adrenal glands. It affects dogs of all breeds and mixed breeds. Unfortunately, there is a very high incidence of this disease in Standard Poodles, although Miniature and Toy Poodles can also be affected.
Ongoing studies at the University of California - Davis have confirmed the high heritability in Standard Poodles; both parents must carry the recessive gene (or trigger gene) in order for a pup to eventually develop the disease. If only one parent carries the recessive gene, a puppy cannot inherit the disease but if they receive the recessive gene, they will also be a carrier.
At this time there is no test to identify carriers. There is no line or color of Standard Poodles that is not affected by Addison's and no dogs that can be certified as "clear" of the disease. Breeders who test for Addison's are only confirming that their dogs do not have the disease at the time of the testing. Addison's can strike at any age, so testing for Addison's does not guarantee that the dog will not develop Addison's later in life, nor does it guarantee that any puppies will not develop Addison's. That is why it is so important for breeders to know in great detail about the health of the dogs in the pedigrees of those they intend to breed to ensure low risk breedings and also to avoid perpetuating the carrier genes.
Addison's Disease affects males and females equally in Standard Poodles, and is frequently diagnosed in dogs less than a year old. This is important for Poodle owners to remember. Many vets fail to consider it for males or puppies, since the literature suggests that 75% of all affected dogs are middle aged females.
Untreated Addison's is a true medical emergency since death can come swiftly. However, with a timely diagnosis and lifelong medication coupled with careful management of stress, an Addisonian can lead a good life with normal life expectancy.
Symptoms of Addison's frequently begin with vague gastrointestinal problems. The most common symptoms of Addison's are a loss of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, weakness, depression and lethargy. Other common signs include a painful abdomen, excessive thirst and/or urination, shaking, low body temperature, signs of dehydration or shock. Most dogs don't exhibit all these symptoms and another hallmark of Addison's is that in the early days the symptoms can come and go.
The only definitive test for Addison's is the ACTH stimulation test. Sometimes a regular blood chemistry will show the characteristic low serum sodium and high serum potassium associated with Primary Addison's. However, this imbalance is not always present in the early days and will not be present at all in the case of Atypical Addison's, where only part of the adrenal glands fail.
Because Addison's Disease is known as the Great Imitator, with vague and nonspecific symptoms, getting a diagnosis can be elusive and expensive. Abnormalities in the bloodwork of an affected dog will frequently lead to a misdiagnosis of kidney failure. Many other dogs undergo barium x-rays or exploratory surgery looking for an impaction or foreign object in the digestive tract. Dogs may present with heart abnormalities or symptoms suggestive of cancer. Once treatment is started, most of these other vague symptoms usually disappear and the bloodwork will return to normal.
Whenever faced with one or more recurring symptoms mentioned above, it is wise to ask for an ACTH stimulation test before going for more expensive and invasive procedures. This is a relatively inexpensive test performed in a veterinarian's office.
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